Nan Shaolin Wuzuquan/five ancestors

[Normski]

HI,

Is there anyone out there practicing NGOR CHOR/ WUZUQUAN/ FIVE ANCESTORS. I'm particularly interested on views of SANCHIN.
Comments from all lineages without the politics and general disrespect ...............



love NORMSKI

[oasis]

you might want to try contacting this kfm member (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/member.php?u=13286) or check out his southern white crane (http://www.yongchunbaihechuen.com/videos.html) website that has plenty of san chin/jan clips that you can compare due to the relationship between the styles

[Ben Gash]

I used to. What exactly do you want to know?

[Normski]

HI ,
Thanks for the info , very informative!!!
At the moment I'm trying to understand the deeper levels of the form.
It forms ,the nucleus of the whole system.
As a relative "Neophtye" ,I was wondering , about more seasoned
players and their knowledge and experience e.g. Four principles,catching etc...


Normski

[SergeTk]

I used to. What exactly do you want to know?

Why you stop?

[SergeTk]

HI,

Is there anyone out there practicing NGOR CHOR/ WUZUQUAN/ FIVE ANCESTORS. I'm particularly interested on views of SANCHIN.
Comments from all lineages without the politics and general disrespect ...............



love NORMSKI


Hello , I guess your from GM Chee lineage , who's your teacher/master ??? :D

http://wulin.proboards31.com/index.cgi <-- this is the main wuzuquan forum over all the Internet.

[Normski]

Hi Serge TK,

In reply to your last question,all I can say ,is that it is from
GM Chee lineage,unfortunately I ,which might sound strange ,is that
I do not have his permission to name him over the internet,
I train with one of his senior students.
The reason I started this thread was ,because I'm relative novice , I could
benefit from more experienced teachers/ student ,and their approach to
training.
The reason also I might appear cautious, is that I seen similiar threads
turn into 'World War 3' lineage battles.....(and you do know what I'm
talking about.............!!!!!!!!!)
how do you approach form and weapon training? how do you have
free sparring?


regards NORMSKI

[SergeTk]

Hey normski your in sweden right?

Also I don't know what You mean about lineage WW3.! :confused:

[Normski]

hi Serge TK,
I'm not from Sweden :) I'm from London,England(which should
narrow it down a bit ;)
Are you from G M Chee lineage?

love Normski.................................

[Normski]

Hi Serge TK ,
Does your school practice the new form ,developed by a committee of
modern-day masters called" UNITY"?.....................................

REGARDS NORMSKI.........................................

[Ben Gash]

I stopped because I couldn't fit it in with work. Normski, KH?

[joedoe]

Normski, I also practice under the same lineage. In fact, I remember you from your school's old forum. :)

[SergeTk]

Normski, I also practice under the same lineage. In fact, I remember you from your school's old forum. :)

HI Joedoe :D , hows things ? Having enough sleep ? :D
My family is moving to Oz next year .I might also go , if thats the case I will move to Sydney :) .

On other note is your email still the same as before ?

[joedoe]

HI Joedoe :D , hows things ? Having enough sleep ? :D
My family is moving to Oz next year .I might also go , if thats the case I will move to Sydney :) .

On other note is your email still the same as before ?

Hi Serge, things are going well. I am trying to get as much sleep as I can before October - after that I think there will be very little sleep :).

Come on over. It is always good to have another training partner. Let me know if you are definitely coming over. You should come and have a look at Sydney and see if you like it first :).

My email addresses are still there, but I will PM you a new one that I check more often than the others.

[SergeTk]

Hi Serge TK ,
Does your school practice the new form ,developed by a committee of
modern-day masters called" UNITY"?.....................................

REGARDS NORMSKI.........................................


No we don't do it .

[Normski]

Hi JoeDoe,

Yes I do remember you. How is the training going?..............!

regards Normski.......................

[joedoe]

Hi JoeDoe,

Yes I do remember you. How is the training going?..............!

regards Normski.......................

The training is going well mate. How is yours going?

[SergeTk]

www.chenwukuan.com

Normski have you heard about this art , apparently who ever started this style first learned wuzuquan from Master Kim Hun and then mix it with other styles and named it chen wu kuan.

[Normski]

HI SERGE TK,

To be honest ,no I haven't..from what I gather Master Kim Han was the British Wushu Coach from the mid eighties to late nineties
, I think ,he was one of founder members of The British Kung Fu Council
which I think ,though I could be wrong,was the fore-runner for B.C.C.M.A.
(British Council for Chinese Martial Arts),that as far as my knowledge goes
on the subject.................!!!!!!!!!
maybe someone else might be more enlightening...............

regards Normski

[AxelB]

Hello everybody,

I'm from Chen Wu Kuan, and it is a mixture of northern and southern shaolin styles. Southern being Wuzuquan.

Nice to hear of other students around studying WuZuQuan :)

Where are you lot based, and how long have you been training for?

regards,
Alex

[joedoe]

Sydney, Australia

Been training 18 years.

[Xue Pei]

HI SERGE TK,

To be honest ,no I haven't..from what I gather Master Kim Han was the British Wushu Coach from the mid eighties to late nineties
, I think ,he was one of founder members of The British Kung Fu Council
which I think ,though I could be wrong,was the fore-runner for B.C.C.M.A.
(British Council for Chinese Martial Arts),that as far as my knowledge goes
on the subject.................!!!!!!!!!
maybe someone else might be more enlightening...............

regards Normski


Guys,
Late response to this (just logged back on after a long time away)
Just to clarify Master Han was the British Wushu Coach from 1985 - 1993.
Other fact is correct.

[Ben Hor]

hi Serge TK,
I'm not from Sweden :) I'm from London,England(which should
narrow it down a bit ;)
Are you from G M Chee lineage?

love Normski.................................
>
Hi Normski,
>
Try to track down Sifu Kim Han, he was teaching Five Ancestors back in the seventies. He is, or was London based.

[Xue Pei]

>
Hi Normski,
>
Try to track down Sifu Kim Han, he was teaching Five Ancestors back in the seventies. He is, or was London based.


Master Han is still teaching Wuzuquan in London (Harrow Wealdstone)

[Ben Hor]

Master Han is still teaching Wuzuquan in London (Harrow Wealdstone)
>
Good to hear he is still around. Kim and I worked together on the old British Kung Fu Council.

[PlumDragon]

Ive practiced some ngo cho and have a fair understanding of the sanzhan/sanjin set in the system. I enjoy the footwork and spitting energy in the form but find that the crane portions of the form seem to be somewhat adverse to my more core martial arts work...

Did you have any specific questions about the set? Seems like we have a decent amount of ngo cho membership responding to the post...

[joedoe]

Ive practiced some ngo cho and have a fair understanding of the sanzhan/sanjin set in the system. I enjoy the footwork and spitting energy in the form but find that the crane portions of the form seem to be somewhat adverse to my more core martial arts work...

Did you have any specific questions about the set? Seems like we have a decent amount of ngo cho membership responding to the post...

I am curious as to how the crane techniques are adverse to the rest of your training. Care to expand on that?

[PlumDragon]

I am curious as to how the crane techniques are adverse to the rest of your training. Care to expand on that?
Im sure the issue will become more natural over time if I continued to work on it over the years, but my main issue is with the wrist down versus being turned up in other styles Ive worked on (such as tan sau in wing chun). It seems a minimal difference but its caused me some headache. I suppose in then end, maybe "adverse" is too strong a word, but with sooo many different methods (like tan sau, or a similar method in Northern Shaolin), and so many varying philosophies in execution (like gwak shu in Southern Mantis), I find that trying to incorporate too many ways of doing a similar type of thing is a good way to spend too much time learning too many things and not enough time learning a small number of things.

Does that make any sense? I do like the crane blocks but I tend to not use them in favor of other philosophies that in the end have a similar goal in mind...

[KwaiChangCaine]

Plum Dragon

Do you study with John Graham?

[PlumDragon]

No, Im not familiar with John Graham. Does he live in Northern AL?

[KwaiChangCaine]

He is in AL but I am not sure where exactly. I will find out.

My Sifu did some seminars at his school a while ago. Sifu is one of the current Ten Tigers from Beng Kiam in Manila.

[joedoe]

Im sure the issue will become more natural over time if I continued to work on it over the years, but my main issue is with the wrist down versus being turned up in other styles Ive worked on (such as tan sau in wing chun). It seems a minimal difference but its caused me some headache. I suppose in then end, maybe "adverse" is too strong a word, but with sooo many different methods (like tan sau, or a similar method in Northern Shaolin), and so many varying philosophies in execution (like gwak shu in Southern Mantis), I find that trying to incorporate too many ways of doing a similar type of thing is a good way to spend too much time learning too many things and not enough time learning a small number of things.

Does that make any sense? I do like the crane blocks but I tend to not use them in favor of other philosophies that in the end have a similar goal in mind...

That is fair enough. I was just curious, not offended or anything :)

I don't know if this will help you at all, but the crane block can be transitioned into by first executing the block with the wrist turned up, then rotate the wrist into the crane hand. This can be useful for getting used to the motion, as well as some chin na applications

[joedoe]

He is in AL but I am not sure where exactly. I will find out.

My Sifu did some seminars at his school a while ago. Sifu is one of the current Ten Tigers from Beng Kiam in Manila.

Sifu John Graham is located in Mobile, Alabama.

[PlumDragon]

Ah, ok. Thats about 5 hours South of me.



I don't know if this will help you at all, but the crane block can be transitioned into by first executing the block with the wrist turned up, then rotate the wrist into the crane hand. This can be useful for getting used to the motion, as well as some chin na applications
Yes, thats the way I was practicing it, more out of prior habit than on purpose. At some point in the future I will work to integrate it more, but for now that is one motion that is on the back burner =)

[chris_b]

In reply to your last question,all I can say ,is that it is from
GM Chee lineage,unfortunately I ,which might sound strange ,is that
I do not have his permission to name him over the internet,
I train with one of his senior students. NORMSKI

You're teacher's not Yap Leong is it?