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t_niehoff
02-07-2005, 05:47 AM
It's worth a read IMO . . .

Chinese Boxing Classics in Translation: Problems and Perils

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http://www.ejmas.com/jalt/jaltframe.htm

kj
02-07-2005, 06:57 AM
Excellent essay on the dilemmas of translation.

I cannot translate Chinese, though I have assisted in several editing projects using the team approach as the author describes. It can indeed be a tremendous challenge to produce readable English text that remains true to the intent of the original work. I've furthermore found it useful to compare the deltas between independently translated and interpreted versions of the original work, though even in rough draft this is often an unaffordable luxury.

Some other interesting essays and perspectives there as well. Thanks for the link.

Regards,
- kj

Vajramusti
02-07-2005, 07:47 AM
Thanks Ternce for that good link.
Just before the nice article on the problems of translation
there are 4 articles on Indian wrestling including commentary
on Gama. Due to my schedule I have not finished reading through them all.

There are references on the works of Alter and Smith. Some years ago I did a book review for the the Journal of Asian martial Arts on Alter's "the Wrestler's body". Alter's works do not have a recognizable agenda or special bias.
I had begun a review of Smith's writings on wrestling- but it went to the back burner. Smith knew ,ore about wrestling than boxing though he has written on both.


As a very young boy I met the great Gama who was no longer wrestling at the time but had come to an "akhara" to visit other wrestlers. A bengali named Mishra was the sponsor of Gama's competition in Great Britain.

Classic Indian wrestling involved working out in pits with
finely pounded and sifted and strained dirt. Got the rocks out. The decline of financial sponsorships began to erode the quality of top flight wrestlers after Indian independence. Also to make the transference to mat wrestling the wrestling authorities made a controversial decision- taking wrestlers out of the so called "sand" pits into mat wrestling.... for foot speed. Lack of sponsorship remains a problem for wrestlers who came often from economically deprived backgrounds. They have not reached the standards of the better Russians and Bulgarians or the Americans or Persians..

Ground work? The older pit wrestling champions were originals. Taking them down was a real challenge.

old jong
02-07-2005, 01:20 PM
Another good read at the same address: Combat Poseur: How to Spot a Virtual Tough Guy: Elmore (04/02)

Phil Redmond
02-07-2005, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by old jong
Another good read at the same address: Combat Poseur: How to Spot a Virtual Tough Guy: Elmore (04/02)
I loved that one OJ. :)
PR

old jong
02-07-2005, 10:07 PM
He! He!...;) :D