Cho family w.c. hendrik santo

[kung fu fighter]

Hi Hendrik!
I agree with you about white crane being one of the root system used to create wing chun. The hand techniques as well as the YGKYM stance seems to prove this. I think fujian white crane is also very evident in southern mantis.

I am trying to understand the logic of the older wing chun systems especially how the cyclic chi sao basic drills are performed.

Can you tell me how many cyclic chi sao drills do you guys have in the cho family wing chun system as well as how they are performed with a partner.

Also how do you guys apply the cho family w.c. footwork in combat, do you use the YGKYM structure in all footwork like the same way the pin sun guys do or do you use the classical C.M.A footwork? Can you pm me?

Thanks
kung fu fighter

[Jim Roselando]

Navin,


I have spent some time with Hendrik and watched his WCK. The properties of the YJKYM is present in all his movement. That is the core link of the body. It creates an alive body method and is not a bolted down type of structure. He zig zag's and coils his body while slicing in and out. Indeed he utilizes the Yum Yeung body mechanics.


His Chi Sao is very light/soft to the touch sensing with the skin. It gives nothing to read and their Snake Body develops complete relaxation but with internal linkage.


I dont know if that helps you or not but I thought I would share with you some clear as day memories from my visit to San Jose! H.S. sifu is a wealth of knowledge and the Yik Kam art is a treasure of Wing Chun Kuen.


Regards,

[RedJunkRebel]

Cool info, Jim. I'm not familiar with this line but it sounds interesting. I appreciate you sharing.

[Vajramusti]

On target Jim re hendrik and his wing chun. It's different
from my wing chun but still wing chun in conception and execution. His basic form includes elements of slt, chum kiu and biu jee.

Others in his family wong kiu kit(sp) have clf and other things
in the migration of wc to se asia- which are not structurally wc.

He apprently hasnt been posting so no direct answer to kungfufighter as of yet.

His(hendrik) hard work on aspects of wc history is admirable and his
comments on internal dimensions of wc is richly suggestive.

He sure has a rich collection of source materials. His chi sao is not of the Ip man variety but it is still chi sao.

I have diasgreed with him on some things- he does not take disagreements personally.

[sihing]

Now these post are a good example of proper etiquette, people relating stories or personal experience without belittling anyone, even though they acknowledge that sometimes they don't always agree on things. Good Job.

James

[azwingchun]

I'll second that! ;)

[RedJunkRebel]

Originally posted by Vajramusti
His chi sao is not of the Ip man variety but it is still chi sao.
A little more like the push hands of Tai Chi than Yip Man's chi sao is?

:confused:

[Vajramusti]

Best for Jim R. to respond.

I believe his is more similar.

[Jim Roselando]

Hello,


All stuff can be similar in many ways but indeed also carry on its own identity. BUT! WC is WC. Taiji is Taiji. Boxing is Boxing. Each have their own "feeling", ging, etc..

Circle Hands platform is a bit different from Luk Sao and also produces some different results.

Both are nice and apprecaited by those who practice with them.


Gotta run!

[reneritchie]

Hendrik's is similar to YKS/SN circling hands. It's all closer to Luk Sao than Tui Sao. When we met, we could drill with close to compatibility right away. It's like meeting someone who may do Luk Sao but with a slight difference in elbow angle or finger placement or something.

Some YKS/SN people do something that looks much closer to Tui Sao using the Chut Sao Yee Gao Sao from SLT...