lama pai lau sing kuen form

[GARRA DE TIGRE]

hello lama brothers


looks like a lot of people from tibetan kung fu branches arrived to our southern kung fu forum . so , i want to start a topic about the lau sing kuen form . the version i'v learned start with a diu ma salute with a right palm and a left crane beak . also have a lot of tornado kicks and a sweep kick . and a strangulation technique at the end similar to hung gar " tiger descend the mountain " movement but with crane's wings in place of tiger claws .

[HopGar]

Well, I guess Hop Gar might not have that form...or I didn't get up to it...could you possibly translate as best you can? Regardless, there weren't any tornado kicks in any forms that I can recall...most of our forms started with an open palm and a fist with the exception of our chyrn wye kern form and the hop gar form. At the end of the Hop Gar form we have one crane attack to the elbow using a beak. I don't recall anything resembling Hung Gar with the exception of a long block leading into a throat grab. Then again, since sifu Ku was also a shaolin student, we have alot of shaolin mixed in....

peace

[CharlesDaCosta]

I think, I know the form you are talking about. Does it have a technique where you roll around in a circle kicking cresent like kicks that cover your body as you roll?

If so, I did not learn the form but I have seen it (We just called it "the kicking form").

I don't remember and Chinese terminology though so please try explaining your self in English.

[GARRA DE TIGRE]

charles :

the form have a lot of tornado kicks .

- a sequence of a torndado kick follow by a inside crescent kick follow of another tornado kick .
- another one with a tornado kick , a circular sweep kick and a jumping frontal kick .

always you finish the tormado kicks when a double descendent blocking technique to the sides in horse stance .


hope this helps !!

[CharlesDaCosta]

Originally posted by GARRA DE TIGRE
charles :

the form have a lot of tornado kicks .

- a sequence of a torndado kick follow by a inside crescent kick follow of another tornado kick .
- another one with a tornado kick , a circular sweep kick and a jumping frontal kick .

always you finish the tormado kicks when a double descendent blocking technique to the sides in horse stance .

It sounds like the form I saw at the White crane school in New York (on Canal St.) back in the early 80's. At the time, the technique that caught my eye the most was when the practishner dropped to the floor, then threw two cresent kicks (one after the other) that covered his body and rolled on to his stomack ... back (i.e., the torndado kicks while lieing down).

What would you like to discuss (as I said, I did not learn the form, I have only seen it)?

[diego]

Originally posted by GARRA DE TIGRE
charles :

the form have a lot of tornado kicks .

- a sequence of a torndado kick follow by a inside crescent kick follow of another tornado kick .
- another one with a tornado kick , a circular sweep kick and a jumping frontal kick .

always you finish the tormado kicks when a double descendent blocking technique to the sides in horse stance .


hope this helps !!

we got one set that does inside crescent kick to face to low tornado kick (roundhouse or slash with the blade to the knee) to high crescent kick to face (can slash the face with blade if he is bent down from the knee kick) all done with the right leg

and another sequence from the same set front jump kick with right leg to drop down into left back low bow stance (half split) and then right inward sweep and left outward sweep into left bow stance and double claw

not the same set but what you wrote reminded me of it:)

[CharlesDaCosta]

Originally posted by diego
we got one set that does inside crescent kick to face to low tornado kick (roundhouse or slash with the blade to the knee) to high crescent kick to face (can slash the face with blade if he is bent down from the knee kick) all done with the right leg

and another sequence from the same set front jump kick with right leg to drop down into left back low bow stance (half split) and then right inward sweep and left outward sweep into left bow stance and double claw

not the same set but what you wrote reminded me of it:)

Are you saying one foot, two kicks - different targets)?

e.g. You throw a crescent kick to face. Your oppent ducks, as your foot is returning to the ground, you pull it back across your body (cutting across oppents knees) so you end up with the same foot orientation.

The second sequence is common.

[diego]

Originally posted by CharlesDaCosta
Are you saying one foot, two kicks - different targets)?

e.g. You throw a crescent kick to face. Your oppent ducks, as your foot is returning to the ground, you pull it back across your body (cutting across oppents knees) so you end up with the same foot orientation.

The second sequence is common.

you are asking if i kick crescent high then fall down into slash kick to the knees...no:) and there was a typo the third kick is high tornado not high crescent kick....it's more of a drill

left horse on gaurd to 12 (your chest faces 3) L counterclockwise twist step and right inside crescent to his left side of face....pull your right foot behind you to 6 in right weighted cross stance and unwind counterclockwise to 12 and jump up and low right tornado kick to his lead knee...can either do roundhouse with instep through his knee or a mix of rounhouse/side kick with the blade of foot...pull back to 6 in another cross stance like before...unwind again and jump up and right tornado-inside crescent kick to his face....three unwinds and 3 kicks, two jumps!.

[CharlesDaCosta]

Originally posted by diego
you are asking if i kick crescent high then fall down into slash kick to the knees...no:) and there was a typo the third kick is high tornado not high crescent kick....it's more of a drill

left horse on gaurd to 12 (your chest faces 3) L counterclockwise twist step and right inside crescent to his left side of face....pull your right foot behind you to 6 in right weighted cross stance and unwind counterclockwise to 12 and jump up and low right tornado kick to his lead knee...can either do roundhouse with instep through his knee or a mix of rounhouse/side kick with the blade of foot...pull back to 6 in another cross stance like before...unwind again and jump up and right tornado-inside crescent kick to his face....three unwinds and 3 kicks, two jumps!.
I think I need to get a clarification as to what you all call a tornado?

I have allways thought of it two flying cresets (while in the air) one is an inside cresent and the other is an outsid cresent. Most do the ouside first. They were called double flying spinning twin kicks in TWC.

[diego]

Originally posted by CharlesDaCosta
I think I need to get a clarification as to what you all call a tornado?

I have allways thought of it two flying cresets (while in the air) one is an inside cresent and the other is an outsid cresent. Most do the ouside first. They were called double flying spinning twin kicks in TWC.

http://www.geocities.com/tibetankungfu/jumpkick.jpg

that's a tornado kick but Staples does it with a roundhouse kick to the head...the second kick would be roundhouse to the lead knee, and the third kick would be inside crescent kick to the head...you basically do outside crescent kick while jumping up but I do it as a windup meaning I'm inhaling as i do it, then exhale for the oncoming inside crescent kick...when you do the twin kicks do you actually do two kicks-one jump?:)

[CharlesDaCosta]

Originally posted by diego
http://www.geocities.com/tibetankungfu/jumpkick.jpg

that's a tornado kick but Staples does it with a roundhouse kick to the head...the second kick would be roundhouse to the lead knee, and the third kick would be inside crescent kick to the head...you basically do outside crescent kick while jumping up but I do it as a windup meaning I'm inhaling as i do it, then exhale for the oncoming inside crescent kick...when you do the twin kicks do you actually do two kicks-one jump?:) Yes, any time you see the words "Double flying" that means one jump two kicks.

[diego]

Originally posted by CharlesDaCosta
Yes, any time you see the words "Double flying" that means one jump two kicks.

Cool, thanks for that info Charles:)