Japanese/Okinawan Kempo

[Lokkan-Do]

Hey folks,

After speaking to some CMAs on campus I decided to learn more from the Chinese Arts.

My style is Shotokan Karate. I will provide a brief history of this art for you next time I visit.

I believe I can learn alot from Chinese martial artists because alot of the forms in my style originated in China.


I am looking for good applications to the forms in my system.



Let's start with Tekki Shodan (One of three Tekki Katas:

The original name of the Tekki forms were Naihanchi <(I believe this is the Chinese name). There are no written records about Naihanchi except that it originally came from China.

http://kc-shotokan.com/kata/tekki1.htm

My friend told me she saw this form being performed during republic day celebrations in China.'


Any help is appreciated.

Thank you.


Lok :D

Will someone at least tell me if they recognise the form?

[WanderingMonk]

errr, no, don't recognized the form.

definitely a karate form.

If you are looking for good app for the form, I usually recommend to search within your own system.

You should really look at okinawan karate which was shotokan's direct predessor. It was said that a lot of the grappling technique was taken out of karate when it went from okinawan to Japan. so, if I were you, I concentrate looking for grappling techniques. A british karate expert wrote couples books on these hidden grappling techniques. His name is ian abernethy.

http://www.ianabernethy.com/books/books_home.htm

not an endorsement, but just something related to what you are looking for.

cma has various major division. the northern vs southern, internal vs external. if you are looking for help with hidden app in karate, I suggest you look at southern arts such as five ancestors style or fujian crane style. they were supposed to be predessor to the okinawan karate. southern mantis has some similiarity with uechi karate, but that's not your style.

anyways, cma will be a different experience. depending on what style is available to you, it might or might not help you with your stated goal of deciphering hidden app in karate form.

[Vash]

Generally speaking, it's going to be a lot easier finding applications for Naihanchi in Okinawa Shorin systems. A book I'd recommend is Karate: My Art - Choki Motobu (http://www.fightingarts.com/estore/catalog_books_karate.shtml) (second book down)

the Abernathy site is a good one.

[Hua Lin Laoshi]

I had a short stint in Shotokan but didn't stay long enough to get to any hidden apps.

George Dillman teaches seminars on hidden moves in kata. I can't vouch for the quality of the information but it may give you some insight and ideas you might not find from other sources.

I attended one of his seminars years ago to see what Dim Mak skills he taught. I saw black belts that were shocked when they found out what they thought was a block punch was actually a throw.

[Lokkan-Do]

Thanks. I alread exhausted those sources. I am looking for a new source of applications.

Frankly, speaking...the applications taught to me by my instructor are poor.



Karate/Okinawan or Japanaese is nothing but modified Kung Fu (mostly Shaolin)...that's why I am looking at the chinese martial arts....

Some of the 'advanced moves' in Shotokan are like Chinese wrestling...(throws)

I am just trying to be open minded...

Thanks anyways...

I will post new forms on here as soon as I find a descent video for you...

Lok

[WanderingMonk]

well, if you have an open mind which it seem that you do, I recommend you to check out www.judo.info or www.combatshuaichiao.com

www.judo.info has a lot of demo of regular judo throw. that site is free. Combat shuai chiao is a modernize version of baoding shuai jiao (baoding is a city in china, shuai jiao is chinese for wrestling). you'll need to pay some money to get the training video. Just take the throws from these systems and add it into your karate. it doesn't matter what the original hidden app were in karate form, it only matter what you can hide from your opponent right before you unleash it on them today.

just take up other styles and incorporate the moves into your karate. it will be your hidden app.

just want to say this, if you already exhausted the materials from Ian A., etc, you should alrady have a pretty full tool box. sometime, too many tools are not necessarily the best option. a couple handy tools often get the job done faster. but if you are into the art side of things, then by all mean proceed.

[phoenixdog]

lien bu chuan of northern long fist looks like punching as in your form but in reality can also be throws,locks and take downs utilizing the same movements.This is where Pong Lai comes in.

[GeneChing]

Can you get the Japanese characters for the name of your form? It might be a transliteration or a direct translation of something Chinese, assuming it has Chinese roots. The names can be very revealing, or at least give you a hint as to where to look next.

[David Jamieson]

that funikoshi flick was pretty cool. good frame.

[Michaelwalter77]

This Kata is from Shorin-Ryu, which means Shaolin Way in Japanese. This along with Shorinji Kempo are shaolin based Japanese systems. They are very different from the real shaolin but it is the closest thing that Japan has to offer (kinda like our English versus Brittish English). The kata in the video clip is called Naihanchi Shodan the man performing it is good, but he is doing a shortened version.

[Michaelwalter77]

I happen to be a shailon stylist and my son takes Shorin-ryu and he knows this kata if I can Help let me know