Nope, not rooting at the Yong Chuan point

[yellowpikachu]

Some borrow the Yong chuna rooting concept from the Taiji people. Some said, when one stand in the YJKYM doing SLT, one rooted on the Yong Chuan point.


Nope, not rooting at the Yong Chuan point.
The concept of Rooting at the Yong Chuan point while doing the SLT will cause trouble.

The concept of Rooting and grounding are great at the first level of training or the limbs technics level, but when proceed to the second level training == the momentum. this rooting or grounding structure becomes a hinderance of become rigid and heavy.

YJKYM's design is not about Rooting at the Yong Chuan point. If fact it is a reverse....

What do you think?

[Vajramusti]

Yellowpikachu sez:
Nope, not rooting at the Yong Chuan point
Some borrow the Yong chuna rooting concept from the Taiji people. Some said, when one stand in the YJKYM doing SLT, one rooted on the Yong Chuan point.


Nope, not rooting at the Yong Chuan point.


What do you think?
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I have never thought that the bubbling well point was the focus for rooting- though some folks were adamant about this- borrowing somebody's taichi concepts.

Glad to see your post.

Did you have trouble convincing others about this? Curious.

[Jim Roselando]

Hello,


Bai He/Hui Yin/Yong Chon

Most internal arts line these up and even our White Crane relative line up Bai He/Yong Chon.

Nothing about borrowing from Taiji. That would mean almost all WCK borrow from Taiji.


Thoughts?


Regards,

[Vajramusti]

Jim R- we have different perspectives.

Different paths to internal- because of stance differences.

[yellowpikachu]

Lines up and root on it is different thing. Line up and grounding is also a different things. Line up and place the weight there is also a different things.


If Yee Jee Kam Yong Ma using the Yong Chuan as the grounding/rooting/place weight.... to support the structure. Then, the stance will be Called Yee Jee Kam Yum Ma. :D


The devil is in the details always :D

[yellowpikachu]

There is a saying

Yong Chuan has no root
Waist is not the control master
The rou Willow spine is so flexsible
One hand waves out become thousand hand.

and
Thousand kati of Gold cant buy a cold catching shake (similar to those when one got while having a cold and sneeze (sp?)

[Vajramusti]

Yellowpikachu- EXACTLY!!! Absolutely!

I have made that same point for some time---
and experimentally verified- for me.

mechanics and meridians are inter-related- but they are not the same.

No need to imitate other "internal" styles...little differences in the kua makes much difference elsewhere.

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by Vajramusti
Yellowpikachu- EXACTLY!!! Absolutely!

I have made that same point for some time---
and experimentally verified- for me.

mechanics and meridians are inter-related- but they are not the same.

No need to imitate other "internal" styles...little differences in the kua makes much difference elsewhere.


Joy,

hehehehe, but then I can argue both ways too. :D:D:D:D:D
In the Pikachu HIS_STORY making 101 class. :D:D:D:DD

[Jim Roselando]

Hello HS & Joy,


HS said:

Lines up and root on it is different thing.

This is true. You are right. Yong Chon to Bai He is the line we use but the way the foot connect to the ground is a bit different from just drilling into that point. This would be a better example of how we weight " V "!

;)

Know what I mean?


Joy,

I would like to ask you where do you root to on your feet? Also, Ting Yiu is the waist link or idea. Its very subtle and not excessively pressing forward, or locked in, the way we do it. So how do you do it and how does it effect your weighting?


Thanks guys!


Regards,

[yellowpikachu]

I am going to open a class In Santana Row San jose Valentino resort. :D


title:

HIs-Story making 101 ---how to read the fine print in Chinese martial art and success in life!


my guess speaker will be

Ronie Dangerfield ( Yup that guy about NO RESPECT)

Trump ( Yup that billionaire guy)

Paris (Yup that famous and rich gal )

Ernie (Yup that seasame street guy)

JR Eiwing (Yup that Texas Oil guy who said power is not to be give but to be grap)

[old jong]

Hey Hendrik!
I think Rodney Dangerfield is going to pass on this because he just died a few days ago!...Unless it doesn't matter and he comes anyway!...;) :D

[old jong]

Joy!! Check your private messages box!....;)

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by old jong
Hey Hendrik!
I think Rodney Dangerfield is going to pass on this because he just died a few days ago!...Unless it doesn't matter and he comes anyway!...;) :D


Hey Old Jong,

it is Zen man! beyond time and space. who passed on in that realm? :D:D




I like this one from Rodney!


A girl phoned me the other day and said "Come on over, there's
nobody home." I went over. Nobody was home.

[old jong]

The best thing about having five wifes is that they can't all have a headache at the same times! (http://www.canoe.ca/PeopleImagesD/dangerfield_rodney_160.jpg)
The guy was zen allright!...;) :D :D

[old jong]

BTW,will Rodney tell us where he put his weight?...I would like to know!...;)

[yellowpikachu]

Try this one from Rodney about YJKYM.

The best thing about having YJKYM is that Yim Wing-Chun doesnt have to teach her seminals, but her husband does! :D:D:D

[Jim Roselando]

HS!


I am going to open a class In Santana Row San jose Valentino resort


Ah yes! Hotel V on Santana Row! A very nice location for a Kung Fu Tong. Actually, a nice location for anything! I recently had some excellent coaching at that location!

Thanks again!


:)

[yellowpikachu]

Jim,

You are welcome!!!

[Vajramusti]

Pikachu sez::
Joy,

hehehehe, but then I can argue both ways too.

---------he he- lawyers do that- I know how to do that- but lawyers briefs are intended to disguise truth on behalf of their client's interest. Good wishes to both Pikachus- one who dwells in the bubbling well and one who does not. Joy
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Michel- I dont check my pm-s much but I should. There were 4 different messages there including one from you. Have now replied to all.
Hope they are all received. Joy
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Jim- the gravitational path, the weighting postion(on one foot or two) and a meridian point are quite different things.--

They have to work together. Just as in a car. The tires can
"carry" the weight- but the gravitational path is not normally over the tires- and the electrical system has its own path. joy

[Jim Roselando]

Hey Joy,


Jim- the gravitational path, the weighting postion(on one foot or two) and a meridian point are quite different things.--

They have to work together. Just as in a car. The tires can
"carry" the weight- but the gravitational path is not normally over the tires- and the electrical system has its own path.

This is true. I should have thought more about it before posting. I replied below with a more proper answer for that rooting question when Hendrik said:


Lines up and root on it is different thing. HS

This is true. You are right. Yong Chon to Bai He is the line we use but the way the foot connect to the ground is a bit different from just drilling into that point. This would be a better example of how we weight " V "!


Can you please explain to us your Weighting and how WC's Ting Yiu effects it?


TIA,

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by Jim Roselando


Can you please explain to us your Weighting and how WC's Ting Yiu effects it?





Jim,

Cant analyzed the weighting effect of a back support and the chair's legs to model the weighting of a moving car. One needs a dynamic time varying model to look at those stuffs in integration.

Not a simple issues since as you know there is 2,4, 6 directional resultant forces. And the 2 directional resultant force effect is different to the 6 directions resultant force effect. and the single components might not be the dominant component anymore.


and as you know, when the Yee kicks in. more integration is needed because things changes adaptively


it is not a standing electric fan. but a moving tronado. that is the difficult part.

[Mr Punch]

Lines up and roots on are different points...

I agree.

I would say that in my Y stance I line up the main points, but in rooting I just try to concentrate on cupping my feet to the ground and the energy tranfer through relaxation of the kwa. I'm very familiar with concentrating your root through your tanden, through aiki and taichi, and in wc the feeling has always been different.

Out of slt, when moving, my focus is always in my target, but I sometimes like to visualize moving the concentration point (kind of like putting light through a prism) up and down depending on my action. For example, if I am using a rising strike, or a strike that involves rolling my arms over my opponent's bridge, I often feel myself concentrating on the point (fire) in my breast, and if I am doing the old revolving door trick in response to hard pressure/strike on one side, and issuing power on the opposite side I focus more through the tanden (water).

Usually, like I said, I don't visualize much: I try to empty myself and let my body do its work by reflex and the root that I've trained naturally against many opponents, and if I need to focus, it's on the opponent's centre... it's only if I'm really relaxed (so usually if my opponent is useless!!! :D ) that I really focus on root at all!

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by yellowpikachu
and as you know, when the Yee kicks in. more integration is needed because things changes adaptivelyJust saw this and following on from my previous post, I think I disagree with the expression 'is needed' because that implies that you need to analyse the action/root as it happens or even before you can do it.

If I am letting my wing chun body do the work, there is no analysis as this slows me up/leaves me one step behind. it is not a standing electric fan. but a moving tronado. that is the difficult part. Exactly. So if I am thinking of root as opposed to letting myself root adaptively, I'm becoming rigid.

Maybe I'm a natural tornado!!! Or maybe I'm just full of wind!!! :D :D :D