shaolin vs. TKD clip

[xiao]

Yes yes....finally i found it back...a small clip where Xing Hong is fighting (demo) a TKD guy..

Go here (http://www.mooto.com/korea/SampleViewFile.asp?No=2334)

To download :
1.)Press the download button(the one with arrow pointing down to the box)
2.)Then it would ask for id(orange) and password(yellow).id is tkdzone,password is 123456.
3.)Press the download button again.

:)

[Pk_StyLeZ]

hmmmm....how come xing hong didnt kick da guy ass..but jus like would always stop at the end and stop advancing??..i dont understand??was dis light contact or someting??..but nice video....xing hong did a tornado kick one leg in a fite..haha i never though i see dat in a fite..lolz!!!
got anymore of dis??or is it only one clip??
want to see more!!!!

[unkokusai]

Originally posted by Pk_StyLeZ
hmmmm....how come xing hong didnt kick da guy ass..but jus like would always stop at the end and stop advancing??..i dont understand??was dis light contact or someting??..but nice video....xing hong did a tornado kick one leg in a fite..haha i never though i see dat in a fite..lolz!!!
got anymore of dis??or is it only one clip??
want to see more!!!!


What language are you attempting to communicate in sir?

[Pk_StyLeZ]

a language u dont understand

*quoted from you*
What language are attempting to communicate in sir?


hmm..what langauge is that??...are attempting??..wow u good at communicating too your self
it so funnie how people make fun of me for da way i type and ghetto slang ebonics internet lingo i use or wutever u wanna it..but ya...he cant even must use good grammer him self and make any sense himself..lolz..HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Royal Dragon]

LOL!!

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by Pk_StyLeZ
xing hong did a tornado kick one leg in a fite..

and who says that aerials are redundant in a fight??

:eek: :D :cool:

so Xing Hong is a monk right?? It doesn't take long to get a black belt in tkd but the "monk" and himself are obviously both skilled.

What do you think the reason for the result was

1. "monk" trained longer
2. personally more skilled
3. shaolin has more options than tkd and really they had even skill level in their style ( deeming shaolin a "style" in itself) and had trained for equal time
4. shaolin has more options than tkd and they really were even skilled though one had trained longer than the other


or add own option here.


Xiao : - Do you know how long each'd trained??

[xiao]

Xing Hong is training since he was a child....so he was around 28 years than...the other guy was some kind of TKD champion at that time of the 'fight'...

The 'fight' is stupid....but did You notice that XH has defence techniques and the other guy is just 'running away'

[cerebus]

I take it they were using Olympic TKD style rules (afterall, I didn't see any hand techniques, sweeps or takedowns)? And why did they each retreat in a straight line when the other attacked rather than circling or angling?

[David Jamieson]

hey, that was pretty cool. good energy from both players.

[Pk_StyLeZ]

that what i was wondering..why no takes town..why no circle or side step and counter??i am talking bout from both people..none of them counter attacked really or finishing advancing and would just stop
i wanted to see blood!!!!!!!!!!!!

is there sounds?

[mortal]

It was just a demo. I think it shows how non martial olympic TKD could be.

[Shaolinlueb]

is that the one where xing hong almsot takes the guys head off with a tornado kick?

[GeneChing]

Xinghong gets off some pretty spectacular moves, but the TKD guy is no slouch. I imagine it's sort of a face issue. It's not a true 'all out' match, obviously, since they both back off at the last moment. I feel Xinghong gets the better of the TKD guy of course, but I'm biased. I've seen Xinghong in action plenty of times... ;)

[mortal]

The TKD guy had NO blocking techs.

[GeneChing]

There are two ways to defend - block and distance. I suppose you could count counterattack as another defence, but by strict definition, counterattacks are really coutern offense, not defense. The TKD master used distance ok, it's hard to say really, given that all-too-short example. If the opponent has a really strong technique, like Xinghong, distance is a much better option than trying to block. I suspect if they both went all out, the TKD master would have been at the disadvantage here since competitors don't generally block against full power attacks.

[phoenix-eye]

I loved Shi Xing Hong's brucie lee fighting stance (with the waving hands)......excellent!

Lovely tornado kick though - very fast set up.

Rotten match though. SXH should have kicked that guys dobokked a$$.

Paul

[Serpent]

When I put in the password and stuff another screen comes up and I can't see the download button again. What do I press to get the file?

[David Jamieson]

What do I press to get the file?

Your bellybutton.

[Serpent]

You're not very funny, you know that?

[blooming lotus]

I have my own base in TKD and far as I'm concerned, what I see, fist variation aside, shaolin player has more diagonal moves and tkd guy is more linear.

Therefore monk has more options, and "wins " bout.


Ps: monk doesn't prcoceed to kick as* with all of might, cause not neccessary. correct Xiao??? And where, by the way, do you yourself stand on that?? ex-monk and all...lil force as is necc, or prove you've got it and cut loose??? sounds silly , but some folk really need to hear it.

[mortal]

What if there is a wall behind you? These guys should hgave techs in their so called arsenals to stop anything. You can't just back up all the time.

[GeneChing]

Before you all get too deep in what should be and what might have happened, you must consider the context of the bout. It was a Korean variety show. I went through a week or so where I was watching some Korean variety shows on late night (and I don't understand any Korean). The motif is always the same. There's some goofy guy who tries whatever cultural thingy they are looking at and makes a total fool of himself. The crowd laughs. Then there's some cute girl who tries it and manages to do it once. The crowd 'ooohs'. Then there's a demonstration from someone who's the real deal. Given that this bout was in the context of such a show, the actions of both the TKD master and Xinghong were very limited - there was a lot of face riding on what happened. If you understand the first rule of face, you have to give your adversary an 'out'. That was the origins of lei tai, when you think about it. It provides the 'out' without being killed.

I always enjoy watching Xinghong move. I remember when he kicked a hole in the concrete wall of the wushuguan 'by accident' then tried desperately to cover it up. I also enjoyed the fan technique he pulled off on that goofy Korean guy. Xinghong is really great.

[dimmakseminar]

Dear Readers:

That is an excellent video indeed. Thank you, Honda-san, for first tuning me into it. The TKD Master mounts a valiant insurrection, but Shi Xing Hong clearly defeats it with his Shao-Lin techniques.

Mr. GeneChing:

I have found an art that I feel is suitable for my continued progression, as we had discussed in NJ. I am eager to discuss it with you via email, when the time is available.

Sincerely,

dimmakseminar


PS: Everyone please recite a prayer for the well-being of the ninja.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Serpent
When I put in the password and stuff another screen comes up and I can't see the download button again. What do I press to get the file?
Err... Anyone?

[blooming lotus]

well what are you getting?? I enter the password, get a new download ( arrow to box) button and option to open or save????

[Serpent]

I don't. When I enter the password I get a full webpage, but no buttons with the arrow on it.

[blooming lotus]

I think the first time I tried I got a funny looking envelopey thing. If you can find it, click the btton to the left. Sorry, not sure what you have so can't really help.

[norther practitioner]

I get page not available or something now..

Serp, the button's picture doesn't always come up... you can kinda search around till you get the finger thingy...


If you understand the first rule of face, you have to give your adversary an 'out'. That was the origins of lei tai, when you think about it. It provides the 'out' without being killed.


What about all the spikes and everything off the 20' platform....;)

[MeatTosser]

Originally posted by GeneChing
That was the origins of lei tai, when you think about it. It provides the 'out' without being killed.


Hmm, from what I understood, people did get killed in Lei Tai Challenges. And it was high enough off the ground to badly injure someone wasn't it?
Oh well, regardless though, it was a nice video. Xing Hong definitely seems to have some solid speed and power. Seemed to me that he was pretty much calm and focused the whole time. He pretty much had total control. Good stuff. Pretty rare to find something like this on video too, heh heh.

(Hey, on a side note, is anyone here a hip-hop head? Immortal Technique is going to be in El Rey Theater LIVE in Los Angeles this Saturday, September 11th, at 9:00pm. I've seen him perform before in LA; trust me, it's pure insanity. Hardcore hip-hop, gotta love it, ha. :D Anyway, check out the details at www.theelrey.com)

[GeneChing]

Sure they may have died, but they could have avoided that *and* saved face. That's not to say people didn't take that option and got themselves killed anyway. There's no accounting for the choices of ego. But some say that the intention of Lei Tai was three-fold. One was to elevate the stage above the crowd so witnesses could see. Second was to give some kind of test to make sure people were qualified to fight - they say you had to jump onto the stage without hands to prove your agility. Third was the out - if things got too life-threatening, you could just find a way to jump off the stage. Of course, all three of these notions are hearsay...

As for downloading the vid off the web, I haven't actually tried that since Honda-san was so kind to send me a copy of the full video. Arigato.

[unkokusai]

Originally posted by Pk_StyLeZ
a language u dont understand

*quoted from you*
What language are attempting to communicate in sir?


hmm..what langauge is that??...are attempting??..wow u good at communicating too your self
it so funnie how people make fun of me for da way i type and ghetto slang ebonics internet lingo i use or wutever u wanna it..but ya...he cant even must use good grammar him self and make any sense himself..lolz..HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


Hey, that's great! Thank you! So I guess you don't have to write like an idiot, you just choose to. Good for you. I guess you have an image you are trying to promote with that bull****.

[unkokusai]

Originally posted by Pk_StyLeZ
that what i was wondering..why no takes town..why no circle or side step and counter??i am talking bout from both people..none of them counter attacked really or finishing advancing and would just stop
i wanted to see blood!!!!!!!!!!!!

is there sounds?


Oh, there it is again! That is so cool! You must be really popular with your cool lingo.

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by GeneChing
Before you all get too deep in what should be and what might have happened, you must consider the context of the bout. It was a Korean variety show. I went through a week or so where I was watching some Korean variety shows on late night (and I don't understand any Korean). The motif is always the same. There's some goofy guy who tries whatever cultural thingy they are looking at and makes a total fool of himself. The crowd laughs. Then there's some cute girl who tries it and manages to do it once. The crowd 'ooohs'. Then there's a demonstration from someone who's the real deal. Given that this bout was in the context of such a show, the actions of both the TKD master and Xinghong were very limited - there was a lot of face riding on what happened. If you understand the first rule of face, you have to give your adversary an 'out'. That was the origins of lei tai, when you think about it. It provides the 'out' without being killed.

I always enjoy watching Xinghong move. I remember when he kicked a hole in the concrete wall of the wushuguan 'by accident' then tried desperately to cover it up. I also enjoyed the fan technique he pulled off on that goofy Korean guy. Xinghong is really great.

I just received a reply to this thread and re-read some pages back. So in this statement, what are you saying exactly??? That being a formulared variety show style clip , it wasn't an accurate representation???
and if so , does anyone have a clip to a "real " event/ match of tkd faces off shaolin???


are their comps where they can both compete against each other??? like an "allstyle" comp or something??
Gene???

[HanRen]

OMG I cant stop watching this vid. It is so cool, any more info on the shaolin monk? I would love to read about him. :p

[xiao]

here You go (http://www.shixinghong.com )

[blooming lotus]

mm hmmm..


and that clip would be where exactly??

tkd vs shaolin ring style right?? Can't find it. Does doc have one??




cheers




Ps: kinda girly here for a mo, but just wanted to public thk you for your efforts bringing shaolin ( particulary gongfu) to the west, because amongst everyone else , it also found me. As far as I'm I'm concerned, you were the first and I respect your style.

cheers Xiao.

[Pk_StyLeZ]

Originally posted by unkokusai
Oh, there it is again! That is so cool! You must be really popular with your cool lingo.

dis boy is whacked......i tink i typed the same in both responses....it was the same typin style..so wat face am i triyn to put??..lolz....wutever im not gonna worry bout u..dis be my last response...and i dont tink it ym cool lingo dat got my popular..more like makin me do lohan chang 2 times in li peng comp did..lolz

[Scythefall]

Originally posted by Pk_StyLeZ
dis boy is whacked......i tink i typed the same in both responses....it was the same typin style..so wat face am i triyn to put??..lolz....wutever im not gonna worry bout u..dis be my last response...and i dont tink it ym cool lingo dat got my popular..more like makin me do lohan chang 2 times in li peng comp did..lolz

you're being modest. You know the combination of Lohan AND d00d speak makes your kung fu invincible. Unko just wants to steal your secret training manual.

Actually, I think he was feeling a bit of a sting when he reread his post and realized he screwed up his grammar trying to chastise yours and you pointed it right out to him! LOLOL!!

[Pk_StyLeZ]

hahaha of course..my combination of lohan and my lingo is wat i am all bout..o ya..lolz..no one will steal my secret training..never never!!..it very secret....maybe i sell to gene and he can publish and make money for martialartmarts..=)...haha jk

and ya..i tink he ****ed cuz i caught his own grammer mistake..i stil find dat so funnie..lolz..someone tryin to make fun of my typing wen they cant grammer themself..lolz

[norther practitioner]

are their comps where they can both compete against each other??? like an "allstyle" comp or something??

hmm...

bl, think about that one for a second...

There are thousands of open tournies world wide... they might have certain rule sets, but that by no means precludes any of these styles...

[blooming lotus]

okay. .....

So do we have a clip for one?

[Brad]

Try a google search, and you should be able to find one. Or just search the main forum for NHB & San Shou clips for examples(is that clips thread still stuck at the top?)

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

Brad,

Maybe you would know which is a typical clip, like one where tkd uses technics that shaolin would lose and vice versa.

[Brad]

I don't think I've ever seen a "pure" TKD guy compete in a non-TKD open full contact tourny.

[blooming lotus]

has anyone seen a "real" bout where tkd won over shaolin???

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

Brad,

It would be great if you can find us something with the high kicks happening and not too much punches - which would be close to what pure TKD is all about. The you may have the opponent doing tiger claws etc like in shaolin or plum blossom fist.

anything like that would do in the mean time.

[blooming lotus]

yah, considered that myself, but shaolin gongfu is more varied punches/ hand strikes and tkd is more on the feet.

again, can we see a sample of that??

anyone??

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

blooming lotus,

There's actually quite alot of high kicking in northern shaolin. I saw a doco on shaolin monks and it said that the most important thing is flexibility. The way they condition their body is much more intense than TKD by miles. But having said that, their variety of hand strike (including Mak) will be limited by having boxing gloves on.

[Serpent]

Can anybody hook me up with a copy of the video that started this thread (other than from the site linked, as I can't seem to get it from there)?

[blooming lotus]

If you tell me how, i'll do it without hesitation???!!!

[xiao]

Another clip of Xing Hong here (http://www.wushushop.be/vids/xinghong.mov) .
The quality isn't very well.....sorry for that..:rolleyes:
The clip is from a vcd that was released at shaolin temple many years ago...

[HanRen]

nice and solid mentis moves. good vid. thanks.:)

[Pk_StyLeZ]

i wish my mantis was like that..or somewat like dat....

[unkokusai]

Originally posted by Pk_StyLeZ
hahaha of course..my combination of lohan and my lingo is wat i am all bout..o ya..lolz..no one will steal my secret training..never never!!..it very secret....maybe i sell to gene and he can publish and make money for martialartmarts..=)...haha jk

and ya..i tink he ****ed cuz i caught his own grammer mistake..i stil find dat so funnie..lolz..someone tryin to make fun of my typing wen they cant grammer themself..lolz


Oh, so these are all just typing errors? I see.

Thanks for the help with my "grammer", by the way.

[MeatTosser]

Unkokusai, don't get all offended by PKstylez; remember, he was never the one who started criticizing you. You were the one who started criticizing him first. Anyhow, you shouldn't even trip on little things like that, homie, get over it. :)

Besides, the focus of this thread is the video of XingHong and the TKD guy, not whether or not PKstylez has perfect grammar.

Peace. :cool:

[GeneChing]

There's far more bad grammer here than good. Calling someone down on their grammer is ridiculous here, sort of like calling someone down because their sparring gear is too gaudy colored.

[Pk_StyLeZ]

i feel cool..everyone on my side..i guess my *cool lingo* got to these people..lolz.....hahahaha
thank you for supportin me..=)
haha i dumb ya i know