Drunken Videos

[Vash]

Check these out. (http://joybotsin.com/videos.htm)

[Moesum]

Thanks for the videos, but there nothing special.

[Meat Shake]

they're.

Cool vids. Thanks for the link.

[The Willow Sword]

The Applications demos were not very good in my opinion.

the hand and flute sets were okay.

[Vash]

This is the guy that claims he is the one dude appointed new grandmaster of this style.

Been checking around on this site/school for a few months, haven't really been able to find anything to say "yeah, this is good drunken kung fu."

Of course, that's kindofa heard style to get any solid info on.

[Meat Shake]

It looks interesting, but as far as fighting goes...
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[Brad]

I didn't really care for the forms or applications(forms were a bit better than the apps though).

[Shaolinlueb]

so how many "drunken styles" are there out there?

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

if you just leave application 4 loop its pretty **** funny.

and sad.

[Brad]

lol, you're right. It also shows a big pet peave of mine when demonstrating applications... please if anyone decides to film applications and put it on the net, at least make sure the original attack would reach the guy you're supposed to be punching. The defender could've moved forward and still not get hit by that first punch :P

[red5angel]

crap, I thought this was going to be like a "Party Chicks Gone Wild" type of thread.....:p

[mortal]

LOLolo I love these guys! The worst stuff I have seen in a while.
He trained everywhere showing he knows alot about nothing.

[Troy Dunwood]

I couldn't help but take the advantage of passing up a opportunity to converse with fellow martial artist. First Mr. Vast, I don't claim anything, I have all pertinent proof if you care to see I'm in North California Bay Area, I'm not hard to find and am rather taken in by the Chinese community and kung fu community here and as you may know we have a rather large kung fu community in the bay area. My personal friends like chiu chi ling and chu sil kay can atest to this point among others. In reference to the material on our web, it is generally a small insight into what we're about in comparison to others, it is not our goal to teach our skills over the net and as some has made mention, yes those are some of the yet milder skills we use that are added to our website. You see in real drunken kung fu fighting is very unorthodox and very definitive, it is not pretty at all, at the request of many though we've just completed a fighting skills dvd that will truly showcase authentic Lau Family Drunken Eight Immortals Fighting Skills and I promise a learner from any style will be able to find these skills useful to complement with what he or she is learning. And to the general masses I invite you to visit us, ask your questions critique our skills, allow us to show you the effectiveness of the eight immortals style within a friendly exchange of martial skill and maybe then you'll see this kung fu in a different perspective. Believe me as a core choy lee fut, wing chun and hung gar student for over 25years, I have welcomed the effectiveness and simplicity of this style in comparison to other drunken skills and when most see this kung fu they come to claim the same appreciation. May the spirit of Chinese Kung Fu be with us all.

Troy Dunwood
Lau Family Eight Immortals Style
Ying Hung Martial Arts Association
Alameda, California USA

[Vash]

Mr. Dunwood;

I said "claim" in my post because, though I've conversed with you a bit by email regarding your distance learning courses, when I emailed a few questions regarding your lineage and your position as head of the style, I was given no reply. I believe I inquired in this regard three times.

I do intend to purchase your DVD of the Drunken skills, because research into this particular style is still something which interests me.

Looking forward to the DVD, and hopefully before the summer is out, I'll be able to make it up to Cali.

peace

[Troy Dunwood]

Our lineage information is located on our history of the Eight Immortals link, there you can find our lineage from wu dan master Yue Ho Lung to myself it is all there. If I have although overlooked your question it was not the intent to do so, but understand i'm corresponding with people all over the world and so this keeps me rather busy along with teaching classes and film production, by the way do you know anyone in hong kong perhaps they can tell you about the documentary that aired on television there that was produced by wing chun sifu leung ting, many of my friends called me from there staing they saw me on t.v., well my friend we'll talk soon.

Troy

[Vash]

Yeah, I understand stuff like that can get hectic.

No worries.

[hasayfu]

Just wanted to say that I've met Sifu Troy Dunwood and his understanding of applications is not captured by these videos. Especially within his drunken style.

As a side note, it's always hard to demonstrate good applications without the feel. Even my sifu, Wing Lam's apps are criticized

I look forward to the DVD.

[Mediocrity]

heh I just wanted to say that the flute form looked pretty crappy. From my understanding you dont really thwack someone with a flute...

But, take my opinions with a grain of salt.

[Troy Dunwood]

Our flute form has more to do with joint locks. But then again our style is unorthodox simply meaning there are no boundaries, this is what sets us apart from the rest. At times we will, stab, (thwack), pierce, dot, smash etc if the situation calls for it, You see Mediocrity, real drunken fighting is not bound by this or that only what is successful.

Troy Dunwood

[Mediocrity]

I fail to see what you mean by "no boundaries" or your style is not bound by this or that.

I was simply stating that it wasnt impressive because I see someone holding a short flute in the middle and swinging it, rather than piercing. I dont want to argue semantics because I wasnt there, but it honestly just looked like something I'd try to do if I had drunk a good amount and decided I thought I knew drunken kung fu... and just stumbled in circles.

It may be your intention for it to be deceptive, and you succeeded, but it just looked like a short guy stumbling in circles with a stick. But like I said, I don't really know anything but what I perceive from the videos... so take it with a grain of salt, or less than that if you please.

[Troy Dunwood]

To be able to converse with someone is a good thing, but to put it in perspective, imagine this, the circling type footwork is actually used as in close sweeping technique, the actual movement of the flute is to slip and thrust against the front and or side region of the neck area, with other variable continuation movements. By the way thats pretty cool, you couldn't figure out the use of our skills.

Troy

[Vash]

When will you be offering the aforementioned DVD for sale?

Also, before your discussion board was discontinued, the user called joybotsin mentioned repeatedly a "distance learning course." I was wondering, what was involved in that, aside from just your video.

Thanks in advance,

Cody

[Troy Dunwood]

Yes my friend, we are in full swing now that we have a professional film crew behind us, that was our draw back in times past, our first disc will be fighting skill, followowed by our four heavenly kings fist for starters

[mortal]

I hope you weren't insulted by my in initial post. You seem pretty sincere and you do have training in other effective arts.

From what I know Drunken style is a artistic form of kungfu. It is done to bring your athletism to another level. I honestly do not beleive those moves could be truly applicable in any situation. Especially against another decent martial artist. Not only that the level of flexability and skill was not that precise. I know the movements are supposed to be hidden and random but in forms training the movements should still be on point.

Having trained in other very martial arts why would you really believe this stuff to be truly effective? Is it to sell videos or get more stundents? Why not just tell them it is artistic and thats it?
Do you find American students only want to practice something if they believe it is good for fighting?

Again I mean no disrespect. Just having a hard time figuring it out.

[Troy Dunwood]

First of all, our style is called Eight Immortals and not drunken style, although we do teach drunken skills. And as far as effectiveness is concerned, we're pretty happy with it and it's capabilities.

Troy

P.S. As I stated earlier we are always happy for a friendly exchange of martial skills to show the effectiveness of our style.

[mortal]

I appreciate your response.

I really don't feel the need to test anyones skills. I formed my own opinions just from watching the vids.

Friendly exchanges never end friendly. Lets just hope we never have to exchange anything but words.

Good luck with your training.

Peace

[Deuce Diggler]

I have seen Troy Dunwood in action first hand (and this was before I becaome a student of his) and I'd have to say that his fighiting ability is amazing. I was so impressed by his martial ability that I sought him out as a teacher. I spent 3 months trying to become a student of his and I am a guy who was never interested in learning a disciplined fighting style.

Let me give some insight on the sample only application videos that people are criticizing. I was there.

When the video was transferred from DV tape to mpeg Troy moved so fast that the mpeg conversion couldn't capture each movement clearly. To overcome that, the camera man had to have him do it in a step by step approach . Otherwise it looked like Troy was teleporting when the clips were converted to mpeg. (The conversion was dropping frames.)

[jpaton]

Hi all.

I used to take wing chun right were those videos were taken, the lake merrit ( or china town ) bart station. I can attest to the fact that Troy: has been teaching in chinatown a long time, seems to be well respected in the neighborhood, looks like he knows what he's doing up close and was cool to other schools that were being taught just yards away.

as an aside if you were to go to that park, for lack of a better word, any morning you could find up to and possibly more then a hundred people doing all kinds of traditional and nontraditional chinese martial arts. i used to go up there and just sit and watch. as Troy alluded to the bay area is rich in chinese martial arts.


-jonathan