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Buddy

05-01-2004, 09:49 PM

Did I get your attention?
I pretty much dismiss this board as it tends to cater to children. Not meaning to be insulting but let's face it. A lot of the people who post here are teenage wannabes. That's fine. I was one myself many years ago. When I was young Kung Fu was on TV. THen a karate guy came to my small New England Town and did a demo and said he would have classes at the YMCA on Thursdays...Wait that's when Kung FU was on. So...... did I really want to do it or just watch it? So, I did it. And still do.
So here's my challenge. Let's make this small part of this board (as internal martial artists) worth reading and responding to. I am a very busy real estate investor, teacher and dad. I will try to do my part. You have seen in the past what a waste of time it is to have someone like backbreaker here simply because they might buy tapes. So you decide. I'm tired of the stupid sniping. What do you want from this board. The mods seem to be gutless (and yes Phil, I'm talking to you). BTW you have to unban Bai He
That's all,
Buddy

cerebus

05-01-2004, 10:01 PM

Yeah, why was Bai He banned? He went apesh!t on trolls but I never saw him argue with anyone who had anything worthwhile to say. Unless you banned him 'cause you somehow associate him with the trolls (who NEEDED to get smacked down anyway). That seems a bit arbitrary.

PHILBERT

05-01-2004, 11:32 PM

The banning of BAI HE and backbreaker was a decision not just by me. I warned BAI HE and backbreaker more times than I have fingers on my hand. We exchanged private messages back and forth and I told both of them to stop this crap and petty bickering. BAI HE agreed he would leave backbreaker alone and backbreaker the same to BAI HE.

Let's try and put it this way, in a bit of an extreme sense. If a man steals from my dad, I have no right to steal from that man. When one person trolls, flaming the troll will get you in just as much trouble. I observed the stuff that backbreaker and BAI HE said to one another. I told both of them that if one starts trouble, to send me a message. What did it for BAI HE was when he made a statement about backbreaker's mom and the Hell's Angels biker gang when backbreaker, in the thread, said nothing to him. backbrekaer then defended himself, and BAI HE quickly sent me an e-mail to say that backbreaker was starting crap. I read the thread, and saw that backbreaker had said nothing to BAI HE and BAI HE appeared on the thread flaming backbreaker. I then locked the thread until Gene could look at it.

I have no power over banning. My job is to let the adminitrators know who is causing trouble. Once they saw what was going on, they decided that BAI HE has had enough warnings. Then backbreaker, being the bright fellow he is (and I told him several times to stop flooding the message board), decided to start slamming you Buddy. So I locked the thread and sent a message to Gene. 15 minutes later I got a response and backbreaker was gone. I then reopened the thread.

The reason BAI HE was banned was because he decided to take it upon himself to insult backbreaker and insult his mother. backbreaker got banned because he decided to be rude to you. I respect you Buddy, and I understand what you are getting at. But the fact is, my job is to be sure people are not cursing one another out, making insults about there mothers, and what not.

I tried to be mature about it, I tried to find alternative methods. I spent an hour and a half sending messages back and forth when I gave my final warning to both of them. BAI HE had no reason to insult backbreaker, just like backbreaker had no reason to do it to you. That is why they are banned. I hated doing it, I really did. I felt it as the last possible choice, and went as far as to weed out threads that had the 2 of them bickering back and forth to try and keep a decent discussion. When BAI HE decided to insult backbreaker, then came whining to me, I realized it would never end. I can not be here 24/7 removing every unwanted post. If people want to talk about other people's moms, don't bring it to the public.

If BAI HE wants to return, tell him to e-mail Gene. His e-mail can be found in the About section of the site. Maybe Gene will let him come back.

shawnsegler

05-02-2004, 07:11 AM

So, when you get rid of a perreniel trouble maker, you take the expedient way out to show you're impartial by jacking someone who called him on his bs?

Bai-He is a good guy who often contributes meaningful thought out statements to our community.

Backbreaker is an annoying maggot who on one occasion last year threatened to break my bones and smash my face for telling him he was annoying. He didn't man up then either.

Philbert, you are giving off the energy of an adolescent trailerpark mother who unable to deal with the fact that she has responsibility, hits anything that annoys her so she can get back to the important business of Oprah and a Benson and Hedges.

I encourage you to take it on yourself to look at the records of both involved "in depth" and maybe say you were a little wrong and that happens and let Bai-He back.

It's the right thing to do, man.

S

PHILBERT

05-02-2004, 03:14 PM

You fail to realize, there are RULES to viewing these boards. You are not paying them to look here. You came here and post here for free. They make the rules and regulations. If they want to ban someone for no reason, they can, and there is nothing you can do to stop them. This is not a democracy on these boards, so you can't vote who stays and who goes.

By following the rules, you will increase the chances of staying. By breaking them, which BAI HE did, you will be banned. BAI HE wrote libel about backbreaker's mother. Wheather or not backbreaker was a troll was beside the point. I told BAI HE on more than one occasion to stop insulting backbreaker. I told backbreaker on more than one occasion to stop insulting anyone on here who disagrees with him. BAI HE agreed. backbreaker agreed. Neither lasted 2 months and both got banned. As I said, if BAI HE wants to return, e-mail Gene and apologize. Maybe Gene will allow him back.

shawnsegler

05-02-2004, 03:46 PM

The point I'm trying to make is that you ignored these "rules" with backbreaker for a million years.

If you don't want to be seen as inconsistant, judgemental and petty give Bai-He the same chances you gave someone who is a thousand times worse.

Otherwise your method is skewed.

S

cerebus

05-02-2004, 04:13 PM

WOW! No kidding! Shawn is SO right. What about when Crazymaddrunk (for example) was on here CONSTANTLY making comments about MY mother, father, grandparents, etc. and saying I was doing all sorts of horrible things with them? And I simply responded to him politely and calmly, again and again...and AGAIN! He was making similar comments about many others too, ALL OVER the forum, but it took forever before HE disappeared (I don't even know if he was banned or not, but I haven't seen him for awhile).

Then Bai He takes the initiative in a verbal attack ONCE and "POOF" he's gone! We all realize that this forum isn't a democracy but it would still be nice to see at least a LITTLE fairness and balance for a change.

cerebus

05-02-2004, 04:19 PM

Well I just checked and SURE ENOUGH, even with all the garbage he spewed on a regular basis, Crazymaddrunk was never even banned. It's just like the real world, where murderers and child molesters get out of jail after a year (if they even go to jail in the first place) while a guy gets caught with a baggy of pot and they "make an example" of him by putting him away for 15 to 20. :(

Disappointing.

PS: And telling him to go to Gene and apologize when he wasn't even as bad as many others who were never even banned is an insult. It's like requiring him to get down on his knees while the real creeps stand around and smirk about it.

PHILBERT

05-02-2004, 05:52 PM

As I said before, BAI HE did not just do it once. He did it several times too, then on top of that, he sent me a message saying backbreaker started it. When I looked at the thread, BAI HE was the one who started the trouble. As I said before, I can not be here 24/7. backbreaker had a tendency to edit his posts alot, and the only times I viewed him making any insults was when him and BAI HE got into it a few weeks ago (the first time BAI HE insulted him that I saw) and when I had him banned

Gene viewed those posts too before this happened, and agreed with me. I will also say what I told them. There is an amazing button that says "Report this post to moderator". If someone flames you, then send me a message. It will send a link to the very message you chose. I will then take the appropriate actions to that person.

In the end, BAI HE did NOT just flame backbreaker on once occasion. He did it on several, then tried to make it out to where backbreaker started it when BAI HE got banned. In fact, he clicked the "Report this post to moderator" and said something along the lines of (and this isn't an exact quote) "backbreaker is doing it again. I thought you said you would take care of it." When I reviewed it, I saw that the first post by backbreaker was an "lol! :D :) :D" or something like that, and about 3 posts down was BAI HE making comments about his mom. Did backbreaker edit it before I got to it? I don't know. He had a way of editing his posts alot, yet he would create new posts.

cerebus

05-02-2004, 06:03 PM

Well, I HAVE seen several instances where BB would throw a bunch of insults to get someone (not always Bai He) to respond in kind and then he would go back & edit his previous post, thereby making it look like HE was being attacked. He did it to me once but I saw what he'd done and edited my own response appropriately, but most people won't go back and re-read the conversation they've been having and WOULDN'T have caught it.

This may not have been the case with EVERY post of Bai He's, but I suspect it was the case at least a couple of times.

PHILBERT

05-02-2004, 06:24 PM

I'm gonna send this thread to Gene and let him do his $.02 on the subject. Not pushing for anyone to be banned or anything bad to happen, but let him see what he feels on the subject of the banning of BAI HE.

cerebus

05-02-2004, 06:34 PM

Sounds fair enough.

Brad

05-03-2004, 06:35 AM

GeneChing

05-03-2004, 10:24 AM

Let me outline the process of banning here to clear things up a bit; it's is very simple. Moderators are alerted of ban candidates in two ways - first off is first hand. They notice that a particular member is troublesome - typically its obscenity that pushes us over, but to be honest, our censor filters are far from perfect and if we deleted all the obscenity, we'd delete most of the forum. So we do the best we can. The next is from the 'report post' button that was mentioned above. This is pretty powerful. You have no idea how many people lurk on the forums and use these. Only the moderators know. Plus a lot of people PM us all the time.

Actually, there is a third method - my bosses sometimes lurk and since they pay the bills, they have ultimate veto power on anything.

Anyway, once a member has sufficent evidence against them - direct observation, reports from others, PMS etc. the moderator gives a clear warning. In a nutshell, it will say something like "behave or you will be banned". We draw a line in the sand. If the member then chooses to cross that, they will be banned. Period.

Now, banning is a very simple process. I just flip a switch on or off. Typically, troll react in one of three ways. One is they come back apologetic. In such cases, we listen to their case, and usually give a second chance. Two is they come back all mad like "why the hell was I banned?" Nevermind the earlier warning - the "line in the sand" - this is a clear case of someone who doesn't get it. With that kind of attitude, they stay banned. One of the recent banned members reacted this way. Three is that the completely ignore it - it really wasn't a big deal for them. They move on. The other recently banned member has reacted this way.

We appreciate your concerns as members of this forum, but realize this was not an arbitrary decision, but one that we have been working on for a while. Nor is it a permanent decision. Also realize that you may be spending energy to fight some one else's fight, some one who has moved on. Don't waste your self.

cerebus

05-03-2004, 11:52 PM

And I know which member isn't terribly concerned, so I'll not argue that point any further.

However the other one simply signed on under a new name (Backbreaker also uses the name "serious harm" on other forums, seems he's using it here now too).

Oh well, it's only a matter of time before he's trolling again. Have fun when it happens. Peace. T.

GeneChing

05-04-2004, 09:54 AM

Well, that's the other funny thing about banning is that there really is no way to ban someone on the internet. It's a token gesture. Anyone can always use a new account and start again. There is no way for us to control that. In fact, it really amuses me when banned members aren't intelligent enough to figure this out and argue violently to be reinstated. It also amuses me that people make such a big deal about banning.

So, we don't really ban the individual, we ban the user name. They can start up again with a new personality/forum name, and if they cross the line, we ban them again. Eventually, we hope they get tired because it is such a waste of energy, really. Stupid trolls are really obvious and get banned the second time pretty quickly because they are sooo obvious. Smart trolls creep back into the system and if they don't cross the line, well, that's fine. As long as nobody crosses the line, nobody gets banned.

There's got to be some control, even a token one, otherwise this will descend into just another internet porn site. :rolleyes: And that's not what CMA is about. Well, not usually. :p

MasterKiller

05-04-2004, 10:23 AM

They can start up again with a new personality/forum name, and if they cross the line, we ban them again.
Instead of banning the Name, ban the IP address. I do it all the time on my board, and it works like a charm. Most people don't have access to more than one computer.

GeneChing

05-05-2004, 02:44 PM

...but it doesn't really matter, it's easy enough to do it manually. Most people don't have access to more than one computer. Actually, most do. There's internet cafes, libraries, schools, and you can always change your IP provider, or just get a new computer - you need to get a new computer every few years nowadays anyways, just to keep up. So IPs are very impermanent, like anything on the net. Just think, we'be all been on this forum for years, but with just one little click of a button, I could make the whole thing vanish. Not that I would do that, of course, but such is the nature of this media. It makes one treasure the moment more.

8gates

05-05-2004, 07:19 PM

Bai-He is a good guy who often contributes meaningful thought out statements to our community.

That's one man's opinion...

Buddy

05-05-2004, 08:57 PM

Two men, junior

Chris_McKinley

05-05-2004, 09:34 PM

Bai He gives more content over at Empty Flower forum than 90% of the posters here are even capable of. The laughably inconsistent policy toward trolls is why KFM's forum is only a hollow shell of its former self. Nowadays, the trolls outnumber the posters here, and what's left is mostly absolute noobs who eventually move on when they realize that very little real information is exchanged here.

GeneChing

05-06-2004, 10:26 AM

what's left is mostly absolute noobs who eventually move on well, what's left are the noobs and you - or are you about to move on too? :p

There is certainly an ebb and flow with any forum, but such is the nature of the beast. What you all must consider is that most of the dirty work of moderation is never seen by our members. In fact, that's the whole point.

As for the banning of Bai He, like I mentioned before, banning is just flicking a switch. We can un-ban him as easily as we banned him. We have un-banned many people previously for various reasons, mostly sincere apologies. Or if he wishes, it's certainly within his power to resort to an alternative method of returning to the forum, as mentioned above, if he so desires. Or he can move on. I personally hope he doesn't and that we can resolve this more amicably, but whatever the case, it's not for the general membership to decide. While we certainly appreciate the concern of everyone on this thread - even admire the notion of all of you going to bat for a banned member - please consider that with every banning, there are factors in play that the general membership has never seen. There is always a PM dialog between moderation and ban candidate which nobody sees - and typically, assuming the case wasn't so extreme - that is the determining factor.

We just want people to play nice. Is that so much to ask?

RICK JAMES

05-07-2004, 05:18 PM

"what's left is you and the noobs? "

Before or after they buy some of the crap your sponsors
pay you to bludgeon them with? Will the poop you hawk make me a better MA?

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Be nicer to your public in the future Mr. Ching.:o

RICK JAMES

05-07-2004, 05:20 PM

The rest of your post seemed pretty good.
You should have showed Mr. McKinley some respect IMO, he was nothing but courteous to you.

8gates

05-08-2004, 08:38 AM

Buddy:
Two men, junior

junior? :p

ok.. buddy...

Be Happy Today.

David Jamieson

05-08-2004, 02:03 PM

you guys can't seriously think that this forum is better than that forum etc etc?

lol, that's just ludicrous.

these are discussion forums and they are filled with all sorts of nonsense.

ef included as well as this or any other martial arts discussion forum has ample shares of noobs and stupidity littered throughout it's threads.

Man, some peeps are far to attached to this hyar digital realm me-thinks! lol

frankly I'd have no problem with having them or not having them. But because they're hear, I'll read em sometimes and post my own rants and info. IN the end, the only real value in kungfu practice is in ones study and practice and definitely not in what they post on a forum.

afterall, what is ef forum but a vehicle of DeVere's own desires? He promotes himself as a designer through that site and may have even sold his skill as a programmer in his ability to set up and maintain a board such as teh one that is at EF. (which by the way is free software that is dead easy to set up by anyone with the inclination to do so.

so to cramp on this board and gene because Gene uses it to sell his wares and make his living is hardly appropriate, and to hoist high the banners of honour over a few words of what is otherwise more drivel on the net from whoever posts it is in essence nothing more than juvenile.

just my opinion, but I'll see y'all on both these boards anyway. :D

You ef guys really need a tune up or something though. yeesh! You still haven't seemed to learn that your spin on things may not be the only way to do things and you may even not know that 99.999% of the folks out there could care less about your ponderings and posturings.

cheers

intimidation

05-08-2004, 02:26 PM

If someone says I suck , or doubts me or whatever, fine. Some people just strike me as know it alls, and extremely arrogant and unreasonable, and can't recognize that people who disagree with them could possibly know anything. WHen people claim to be experts and say I clearly don't know what I'm talking about, I think is different from being skeptical, doubtful, or voicing an opinion of how cool something is. Saying you suck, does not mean anything that people try and make it out to. Somethings are just opinions, but when people say so and so is bullshido, or they're the best experts around, well some things need more proof than others, so what I say about who sucks is true, legitimate, and there's alot wimps in IMA. I just blame the wannabe experts, not the qi hugging hippies, whoever they are anyways. I'll disappear for while, but on the other hand, it just takes afew clicks and a couple minutes to check the forum

So IMO , saying someone sucks is not a big deal, every sports team gets booed when not at home, that's just simple. Don't expect me to listen to you like I know nothing though. But if you're saying someone is bullshido, or knows nothing about what they're talking about or teaching wrong, that at least requires some backup, if not a meeting in person, so I shoulda never been banned from anywhere. Sorry for being young and knowing a bit. People banning people from forums do it out of envy and fear of their reputation, because they want to appear smart instead of tough, but blame it on hippies:rolleyes:

The problem in IMA, IMO is the wannabe experts, not qi hugging hippies, is all

cerebus

05-08-2004, 02:43 PM

Ya know backbreaker, the only one who ever said that anyone "sucked" was YOU saying that EF and everyone on it sucks and that everyone on EF thinks they're an expert (not true) and that no one on EF can really fight (not true). I just came on to point out that you were very incorrect in making those statements (about people you don't even know).

As for Kung Lek, I've seen YOU defend yourself and your beliefs more than a few times. Why should we not be allowed to do the same? At what point did ANYONE on EF EVER say that our points of view (which are many and often even at variance with one another, it's not like there's one official EF "point of view" on ANYTHING) are the only correct ones? So yeah, actually we have known all along that our ways of doing things are NOT the only way and I don't think I've ever seen anyone on the forum express the opinion that they give a rat's arse what "99.999% of the folks out there" think of our views.

Anyway, Kung Lek and backbreaker/serious harm/intimidation can certainly feel free to go off into the sunset practicing their Atlantean Chi Gung together, that's fine by me. But if people come onto a board I read and make false statements about people I know, then yes, I WILL step up to correct the misinformation they're trying to spead.

Cheers.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by cerebus
Ya know backbreaker, the only one who ever said that anyone "sucked" was YOU saying that EF and everyone on it sucks and that everyone on EF thinks they're an expert (not true)

I never said everyone, just the vocal minority and moderator, many are on this thread. That's ALL I said, I didn't say I was an expert because I have 15 years, or that what I say is an expert opiion and "proven fact"

and that no one on EF can really fight (not true). I just came on to point out that you were very incorrect in making those statements (about people you don't even know).

Fighting means MMA, or against someone larger to be cool

As for Kung Lek, I've seen YOU defend yourself and your beliefs more than a few times. Why should we not be allowed to do the same? At what point did ANYONE on EF EVER say that our points of view (which are many and often even at variance with one another, it's not like there's one official EF "point of view" on ANYTHING) are the only correct ones?

That's all I was ever told while there. Alot of talk about 20 years this, 15 years that, I'm just a kid so I don't know blah blah

So yeah, actually we have known all along that our ways of doing things are NOT the only way and I don't think I've ever seen anyone on the forum express the opinion that they give a rat's arse what "99.999% of the folks out there" think of our views.

But they cannot be disagreed with evidently, or you feel threatened. You just have a misunderstanding, I just give out my understandings and defend a few groups that people like to bash. You are the ones complaining and feeling threatened. I just said you suck and I have every right. CEREBUS, you are trying to claim correct, I am correct, but all I'm saying is EF sucks

Anyway, Kung Lek and backbreaker/serious harm/intimidation can certainly feel free to go off into the sunset practicing their Atlantean Chi Gung together, that's fine by me. But if people come onto a board I read and make false statements about people I know, then yes, I WILL step up to correct the misinformation they're trying to spead.

I said nothing false, I was banned along with another group, who by the way I have heard have been stepping up and doing some sparring with other styles. I had a challenge at the time fro IMA vs. MMA. All you have is you supposed 15 years. And if your friend who agrees with you has another 15, then you got 30!

Cheers. :rolleyes:

So you keep saying I was banned because I have SO much less experience in IMA than you guys, but I know it's because you are threatened that some of you would be overshadowed.

So i'm fine to just forget totally about EF and not talk about it, but anytime I say anything someone fells threatened. I just have my own ideas and things I'd like to see or hear about, and have nothing to lose is all.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 03:02 PM

So the point is, that someone on this very thread claimed I'm ignorant of MA, all I claim is that you are lame

intimidation

05-08-2004, 03:10 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cerebus
[B]Ya know backbreaker, the only one who ever said that anyone "sucked" was YOU

Because NO ONE on EF said Gin Soon Taiji sucks and is laughable. I foun it funny, because when those people brought out their internet video clips, it was no better, if even as good.:rolleyes:

cerebus

05-08-2004, 03:17 PM

"So you keep saying I was banned because I have SO much less experience in IMA than you guys"

Really? When did I EVER say that (much less KEEP saying it)? Your major problem seems to be that you don't seem to know WHO is saying WHAT but you accuse people of saying things which they never said. I, for one, have said many times that my experience in the internal arts is much less than that of many (maybe most) of the other members on EF. I do, however, have more experience in some areas of combative experience than some of them.

No one's ever been kicked off from EF for being inexperienced. YOU were booted for being an AZZ (like you were here). Why don't you go around badmouthing the people who banned you here? It's the same thing.

Stop BEING an AZZ and people will stop treating you like one. Simple enough.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 03:20 PM

This discussion is polarized. If you're on their side, you agree with what they say to me.

Yeah, it is the same thing, I was banned here by the same people.

The way it looks, and most likely is, is that people were banned from EF because some people who had videos coming out, didn't want their small spotlight at that small forum, stolen. But I'm not trying to drag this on, just saying how it looks and is.

cerebus

05-08-2004, 03:35 PM

I know who it is you are accusing AND what you keep accusing them of. In that, as in most of the other accusations I've seen you make, you are wrong. Sorry if you refuse to step back and take a more objective view of the matter, but it's a fact.

If someone says something that I can see is incorrect whether here or on EF, and I can provide them with the correct information then I will. It's not a matter of agreeing with everyone on EF because I'm a member there. I've disagreed and argued very strongly against fellow EF members many times. But so far everything I've seen you say about them has been incorrect.

PHILBERT

05-08-2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by intimidation
This discussion is polarized. If you're on their side, you agree with what they say to me.

Yeah, it is the same thing, I was banned here by the same people.

The way it looks, and most likely is, is that people were banned from EF because some people who had videos coming out, didn't want their small spotlight at that small forum, stolen. But I'm not trying to drag this on, just saying how it looks and is.

No, you were banned BY ME because you sat there and spewed off garbage to other people. By garbage, I mean petty name calling, swearing at them, etc. Not garbage as in "I am right, you are wrong", which, you did that as well. You give no information about who you train with, and when someone questions it, you scream and yell and say "I've already told you who I have trained with!" and then proceed to call them names. As far as I can remember, I am not a member of Empty Flower. Maybe I am, and I just can't remember. I know I've been there (awesome site btw, love the 50s style cult classic Daredevil text style). I've downloaded videos on it, etc. So yeah, I probably am a member on there, but never posted. Alright, I just checked, apparently I have yet to registar there under my standard user name, so, in the end, you were banned by a guy not from Empty Flower.

You were banned twice, yet continue to return, which shows that you just don't seem to understand what banning means. You post multiple times in a row, and when you get in an argument about someone, you are quick to edit your posts and make it look like you are the victim and they are the bad guy.

Lots of members on this forum will tell you his or her instructor's name if you ask. Heck, some people will even tell you the address of the school they train at, and offer to let you come visit them. However, each profile you have created has been blank. Wait, I stand corrected. Your current profile has a birthday given. Other than that, they are blank. You hide in invisible mode on the forums, heck, I wouldn't put it past you that you never leave the forum, but rather stay invisible and just leave it up on the computer and check back periodically. The only reason you haven't been banned again is because you haven't slipped up on the Internal board. I could just as soon e-mail Gene and tell him to ban you again, and then you'd appear with another obvious name, and get banned from that.

I tried so much to try and get it through your head about the rules, remember when we sent those PMs back and forth for an hour that one day?

Remember?

Yeah?

I want my hour back.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 03:43 PM

1. I won't swear anymore, or name call, unless provoked

2. My message is more important than my name

3. I have given out my instructors names many times, and posted sites where I train. It's not hard to figure out if you know the IMA community, and who the known instructors are

4. Find an example when I edited my post to look like a victim. The thing wrong with that ridiculous theory , that you seem to have bought into, is that I never reported a post to a moderator or ever asked for someone to be banned. Can't you retreive deleted posts?

5. I do in fact just click the forum at the bottom of the screen and leave.

6. Am I not now following the rules? It's because I myself haven't been insulted as much

&. Oh, I didn't mean for my birthday to be listed

PHILBERT

05-08-2004, 03:46 PM

I can not retrieve deleted posts. Once I hit delete, they are gone like a Ninja after a kill.

BTW, regardless of wheather or not you edited your posts (and I see them edited alot), you still have insulted people. Remember my story towards the top? About how, if a man steals from my dad, I have no right to steal from him?

Yeah, go back and read it. While it is about BAI HE, it can be applied to you. If Jon Doe calls you an idiot, and you proceed to cuss him out, Jon Doe gets banned and you get banned. If Jon Doe cusses you out, and you don't cuss him out, Jon Doe gets banned.

And don't you dare say you have never said anything bad on here. I put a note up here, and you began to insult me directly, when my note never said a single insult to you. You sat there and swore up and down like a sailor towards me, insulting me.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 03:48 PM

I don't want to nutride my years alive, thank you:D

Anyways, I think it won't be long until I actually don't have much to say anymore, kind of like bullshido, I just don't have much to post there often

cerebus

05-08-2004, 03:57 PM

Then please, STFU and go away. Thank you. That is all.

David Jamieson

05-08-2004, 04:25 PM

no need to get yer nuts in a knot there cerebus, I'm merely pointing out that your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's and the behaviour and rants on the boards at ef are no less beyond reproach than those that are found here.

both boards have their merit and demerit as far as i can see.

I find value in both of them. I have had head to head insult slinging fests with plenty of people...well mostly only one or two guys, but I think i wise cracked at BB about his Atlantean theory...just to point that out.

But to think ...Like I said before that one site is better than the other, or that apologies are OWED is a bit out of hand. Take things in stride and definitely with a grain of salt.

By the looks o the thread at EF I would say that it is you who owes Gene Ching an apology for your slanted remarks against him there when he hasn't said one iota against you and he certainly didn't start it.

Of course he has to manage this board, the same way you guys at ef managed yours when you banned backbreaker for making his cracks.

Kinda silly when held against the light of day. And besides all that, yer dang right I defend my p.o.v, But I also concede when shown to be incorrect. Just sift through anywhere I am really and you'll see i'm being honest about this.

After all, there is no foundation for universal or ultimate "truth" in any matter. All things are subjective and we simply have it put to us to choose what we are going to believe or disbelieve. And in time, even that may change. :p

anyway, telling someone to stfu is not really a good way to balance a dialogue and create a more positive relationship. Don't expect niceties if you are not willing to extend them yourself.

that is all.

cheers

CaptinPickAxe

05-08-2004, 04:42 PM

Intimidation, I'm curious as to what your martial background is. I have absolutely no idea who you are or your past. Feel free to PM, but I'd really like an answer besides "I've already told you," or, "Run a search." I'd like an honest answer, please, seeing how this is an honest question.

cerebus

05-08-2004, 04:49 PM

Well, first of all I never said anything derogatory about Gene, so you may wish to correct yourself on that remark (I did say that I felt the banning of Bai He was uncalled for).

As for telling "whatever his name is" to STFU, no, it's not the way to have a good dialogue. However the end of the proverbial rope was reached long ago. I tried speaking reasonably with him but that didn't work.

So he's been banned twice and keeps coming back and then says he's finished saying what he has to say anyway. Then why the heck doesn't he just quit?

Whatever. Please re-check the thread on EF & let me know what it was you think I said about Gene when you get a chance.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 05:14 PM

Captain pick axe-

11 years with this guy (http://www.retreatsonline.net/kootenaytaichi/)

5 years on and off (http://www.pridegym.ca)

2 years 7 months a year 7 days a week (http://members.shaw.ca/wuti/tuttle.html)

http://members.shaw.ca/wuti/wuti.html

Kunlun school wild goose qigong for 7 years and a bit of Damo and qinway qigong. My qigong teacher is maybe getting a website but I can't find it yet.

David Jamieson

05-08-2004, 06:15 PM

you're right cerebus, my bad, it was not you who made the disparaging remarks about Gene. It was another member at EF.

my apologies and a retraction of my former statement regarding same.

But as for the rest, I still hold the same view :p

cerebus

05-08-2004, 06:25 PM

It's certainly your right to do so, as shall I.

RICK JAMES

05-08-2004, 07:19 PM

"afterall, what is ef forum but a vehicle of DeVere's own desires? He promotes himself as a designer through that site and may have even sold his skill as a programmer in his ability to set up and maintain a board such as teh one that is at EF. (which by the way is free software that is dead easy to set up by anyone with the inclination to do so."

You sound jealous... can you design a better site? This board looks like a urine sample.

"You ef guys really need a tune up or something though. yeesh! You still haven't seemed to learn that your spin on things may not be the only way to do things and you may even not know that 99.999% of the folks out there could care less about your ponderings and posturings."

You assume a lot. You don't seem to mind when another board is randomly degraded on your forum. You don't seem to mind when other quality martial artists are ****ed on for no constructive reason...

Instead of your petty assumptions, why not just say "Sorry boys, it's all about the hit counter." Isn't that the truth.

"so to cramp on this board and gene because Gene uses it to sell his wares and make his living is hardly appropriate, and to hoist high the banners of honour"

Your words, not mine.

"of what is otherwise more drivel on the net from whoever posts it is in essence nothing more than juvenile."

Yeah, that's great. Just because you don't have any thoughts on these subject anyway, it's just easier to put your fingers in your ears and say BLAHBLAHBLAH I can't hear you...
Please throw another coat of generalistic shine on the this pile of shzeet.

AGAIN-
"You ef guys really need a tune up or something though. yeesh! You still haven't seemed to learn that your spin on things may not be the only way to do things and you may even not know that 99.999% of the folks out there could care less about your ponderings and posturings."

Yes, you let a rampant jerk-off troll bad mouth a bunch of fellow martial artists and now defend him? You're actually starting to sound like him. Maybe you don't speak or think too clearly, maybe
we cant hear what you're saying with Ralek's junk in your mouth?

Silence equals complicity and I guess you have just shown your true colors.

Why are you in this section anyhow? Phil need to bring in a ringer?

RICK JAMES

05-08-2004, 07:29 PM

BTW-

The post running down Gene on EF was a joke. See the part where the poster says "Mock Outrage".

It was done to see if you showed up on the forum and started to fire back, then you'd see what it's like to be on the other
side of the fence when one reputable community is attacked and asks another for assistance (without ant personal profit).

You guys have really failed. Now you're going to take a few more
cheap shots at EF and Mr. Devere. Pretty classy of you.

And that, to quote Kung Lek, is "juvenile".

Use your heads in the future. Please.....

David Jamieson

05-08-2004, 07:58 PM

:D

Rick, don't be a d.ick lol, i wasn't running down devere, i was pointing out an inconsistency in making the argument that Gene is bad because he makes a living through this site and other endeavours associated with this site.

I personally like daves design work and all the power to him for doing what he does.

also, i am not defending bb, i'm pointing out that it is useless to try and sell yourself as "right" by doing essentially to him what you are claiming he's doing to you. so get it straight dude, i ain't putting words in anyones mouth, i'm just calling it as i see it. and as i see it, it is you guys coming here and b.itching about a bunch of nonsense while the antics at ef are just as bad in regards to "putting down fellow martial artists". i mean jeez, look at some of the mockery of others that goes on there. LOL, it is like the pot calling the kettle black.

so just keep that lemon to yourself will ya and don't try putting words in my mouth.

yeesh

cerebus

05-08-2004, 08:11 PM

Actually, the whole sh!tstorm happened when BB came on this forum saying "EF sucks. Everyone on Ef sucks, etc. etc." and I asked him why he would say that. He just kept coming back to: 'Well, whatever. It doesn't matter 'cause you guys suck!' I continued to be polite to him for quite awhile though others with less patience for BS jumped on him heavily.

So please don't try to make it sound like we just suddenly showed up & started in on the guy. If someone starts calling people names & telling them that they "suck", he's asking for trouble & he deserves all of it that he gets.

I never attack anyone (even verbally) unless either A) they're fulla crap and it needs to be pointed out or B) they start in on me first. BB met both criteria with flying colors.

intimidation

05-08-2004, 08:24 PM

IMO bai hui and others were harrassing me way back when they thought I was straight blaster.

Buddy

05-08-2004, 08:30 PM

Well Gosh,
Iwill. I think you're a nitwit kunglek. I don't think you know what you're taliking about. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the mods here and Hung gar Gene, I think this board can't hold a candle to EF. There is still a bunch of juvey bushwa on this site. It's ruled, as far as I can see, by kids. Noone gets away this sort of hoesr**** on EF. I am still challenging this board to grow up. It's all about the dollar here as RJ said. Phhewwah

Buddy

05-08-2004, 08:37 PM

intipuss,
the fact that you are still here proves my above point. You are a sham and the lowest form of interent life. You are a troubled and insignificant little boy who's only life exists as that as an internet troll. Fat, skinny, weasely, pimpley, little ****. You would be a sad little case if you mattered. Your opinion is of no consequence. It is obvious to all that you are...feck. Begone.

shawnsegler

05-08-2004, 08:43 PM

Just as an aside...does anyone find it amusing that BB can never say what his experience is, only post links and say-"I studied with this guy"?

Cause I do.

S

cerebus

05-08-2004, 09:16 PM

Look out Buddy, Kung Lek might frown upon you for being harsh on his pal. :D

Yeah Shawn, that had crossed my mind. What's up with that? :confused:

RICK JAMES

05-08-2004, 09:19 PM

Kung Lek -

Are you drunk? You don't sound so Canadian...

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

PHILBERT

05-08-2004, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Buddy
Well Gosh,
Iwill. I think you're a nitwit kunglek. I don't think you know what you're taliking about. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the mods here and Hung gar Gene, I think this board can't hold a candle to EF. There is still a bunch of juvey bushwa on this site. It's ruled, as far as I can see, by kids. Noone gets away this sort of hoesr**** on EF. I am still challenging this board to grow up. It's all about the dollar here as RJ said. Phhewwah

Yes, and mature grown ups love to go around calling people names. :rolleyes:

cerebus

05-08-2004, 09:25 PM

Love to? No. Succumb to the urge to do so when they run out of patience dealing with ignorant individuals? Yes. That will happen. Even with mature adults.

PHILBERT

05-08-2004, 10:21 PM

As Gene said earlier in this thread, we can keep banning backbreaker, but until he chooses to give up and leave, he'll keep returning. So Buddy is just going to keep getting mad at him.

Ian G.R.

05-09-2004, 03:51 AM

Intimidation
Go back to Bullshido (as serious harm), in fact. No, you're not even worthy of posting there (where the trolls run wild). If they knew you were posting this Atlantean Qi gong lort (danish for well ....; men det kan du vel aldrig finde ud af vel? Din lille skidespræller) They'd rip your head off.
Or, alternatively. STOP POSTING YOU MORON!!!!! I mean, do you actually think people will respect you, if you change your name and come back to "face the adversity"? Sorry to burst your bubble. No. No they won't.

Every time you post something, thousand and thousands of bullcrap-o-meters go off in the heads of people all over the world(some, dont even have one, but miraculously develop one just for you). You, however, seem to be capable of independant critical thought, and believe something along the lines of "0ooohhhh, it's on the internet, then it must be true. (in reference to all that magick hack stuff)

Now, we will collectively make you our *****, and play the great an ancient sport of Atlantean scat with you.

[/scathing flame]
*edited for more correct grammar and spelling, I hate typing when mad*

David Jamieson

05-09-2004, 05:31 AM

a nitwit? well! that does it, now my feelings are hurt! :p

come on guys, I can't believe you don't see it.

Buddy, that whole post degrading the guy is in no way different from what you are saying he has done to you.

Anyway, I don't get it that you guys don't get it. It's just gonna spiral into a feces flinging fest a la Al Capone in his last days now.

I'll be at the canteena getting a pop.

pip pip!

cerebus

05-09-2004, 04:02 PM

Heh, heh. Well Kung Lek, I see what you're saying but MY primary mistake was that I started off trying to be reasonable with the guy. In fact, other than the "STFU" comment earlier (which he's said to me on other threads WITHOUT me returning such pleasantries) I've not been harsh on him at all. Yes, I've been sarcastic and made fun of him but I would do that to anyone espousing such rigamarole as he does.

I'm sorry if it bothers you to see it, but he's the one who jumped up & brought the fire down on his own self (again, and again, etc) so I have a hard time feeling sorry for him. There have been several times when these little tiffs have died down and he gets left alone, but he just can't resist starting up again with his crapping on EF & those of us who are members, so then EF members start in on him again. Like I've said before, if he stops BEING an azz, he won't be treated like an azz.

I'm surprised YOU don't see that.

Buddy

05-09-2004, 07:41 PM

Philbert,
You have been respectable to me so I won't be harsh. When this board is able to show some responsiblity then I will be less so. You allow, before I started my hounding of him, this miscreant to advise others. As I've said, and neither you or gene saw fit to address, this board is a self serving commercial enterprise without having the where with all to police its own beyond what you determine as offensive. This board is backed up by a magazine. You have an almost serious presence. And yet you decide that you are not responsible for what is written. I could go and just leave the teeming masses to believe the pablum here but as an adult (and don't preach to me boy) I will not. You need to decide if its ok with your policy to let these cretins influence the younger members whose only foray into the MA might your magazine and your board.

intimidation

05-09-2004, 07:54 PM

I didn't know ANYONE was giving advice, just suggestions and discussion, that's the whole point, not paranoia, trolling, and pm's

cerebus

05-09-2004, 08:24 PM

LOL! Gee, doesn't he just sound SO innocent? :p :p :p

Chris_McKinley

05-09-2004, 10:37 PM

Gene,

RE: "well, what's left are the noobs and you - or are you about to move on too?". I used to be one of your most informative posters a few years back....take a look. It's not surprising you don't know who I am given that you don't travel in circles with folks who train combat for real. If you ever see me in person, I'll give you the limp handshake and dismissal you deserve. You're a complete joke in the martial arts world. Your rag has become essentially nothing more than a Chinatown tourist's trinket catalog, spiced up here and there with completely irrelevant tripe and phoney Shaolin monks nutriding. Beats training though, eh?

GeneChing

05-10-2004, 11:03 AM

We banned intimidation *again* - if you review this thread, the baited is pretty obvious. We were going to let him run on this 3rd account, but he still didn't change. Maybe next account. Bai He is un-banned now, too.

As for my comment to Chris_McKinley, I'm sorry that you and Rick James took such offense to it. It wasn't meant to be insulting or disrespectful; it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, which is why I added the :p symbol. Now I realize I should have used the ;) symbol to better indicate that I wasn't being serious. It was more a comment on your quote Chris...Nowadays, the trolls outnumber the posters here, and what's left is mostly absolute noobs who eventually move on when they realize that very little real information is exchanged here. There's an intrinsic logic flaw with posting that, since by the very act of posting it, you are here, and I'm assuming by your attidude and your successive posts, that you do not consider yourself as part of that crowd. So it became sort of self-incriminating, which is, I assume, not what you intended. FWIW, I've made plenty of similar errors, but it's a forum, it's sort of the nature of the beast. We're all bad writers here and if we're not, we're spending too much time here.

As for the disparaing comments about me personally, I appreciate your criticisms and your attention. Really, with the incredible diversity of CMA, it's an honor to be thought of at all. I AM a complete joke in the martial arts world and intend to remain so as long as I can keep the audience laughing. Seriously, laughter is the best medicine. If I could just develop the contagious laugh, that would be the best virus ever. I like to think of myself as sort of a cosmic joke, but really I'm just a bad pun. :p oops, I mean ;)

You know, something Dave Cater (of all people!!) taught me about forums. We were once discussing web forums a few years back and he said he went to one once and typed "Dave Cater is an *******" just for fun. He thought it was hilarious how many people agreed. To this day, I respect that.

As for Empty Flower being better, they probably are, but it's sort of silly to come over here and say so. Forums are voluntary communties - if you want to participate, participate. If not, go somewhere else. It's sort of like the noobs comment, you're not going to make things better in a community by saying "oh that other community is better". You're going to make the community better by contributing more to it. Now of course, I'd love it if the entire CMA world was here, but that's not going to happen. As long as your contributing somewhere, that's fine. Even trolling contributes in its own weird way, sort of like lessons in bad examples, but things do get out of hand now and again, so we do have to ban members. I do admire the style of the Empty Flower website - I think they do a fabulous job for the MA world. Also I would love to read up on these threads on me, just because it tickles my ego just like it did Cater's. If anyone can forward me the threads, I'd love it.

looking_up

05-10-2004, 01:25 PM

Good sense of humor, Gene.

seriousharm/backbreaker/intimidation: Get help. You keep referring to "they" and "their" and you refer to EF as if it was a bogeyman coming to get you...not normal, yo.

BPW

05-10-2004, 04:03 PM

Whoa, looks like I'm late to the party! Jer-RY!! Jer-RY!!

Welcome back, BAI_HE. ;)

As for you, Cracktaker, I don't think you're mature enough for the IMA. Go do about 3-5 years of Shaolin and get back to us.

Unmatchable

05-11-2004, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Chris_McKinley
Gene,

RE: "well, what's left are the noobs and you - or are you about to move on too?". I used to be one of your most informative posters a few years back....take a look. It's not surprising you don't know who I am given that you don't travel in circles with folks who train combat for real. If you ever see me in person, I'll give you the limp handshake and dismissal you deserve. You're a complete joke in the martial arts world. Your rag has become essentially nothing more than a Chinatown tourist's trinket catalog, spiced up here and there with completely irrelevant tripe and phoney Shaolin monks nutriding. Beats training though, eh?

Haven't you learned yet that only alive arts like bjj, muay thai, and judo train for combat and train realistically?