Wing Chun, Wing Tsun, Ving Tsun ???

[william]

Hello People,

Excuse my ignorance, but could someone enlighten me as to what the differences are between Wing Chun, Wing Tsun and Ving Tsun (if there are any)?

Someone told me that they are just different ways of translating the name of the art from chinese.

I have also heard that they are slightly different styles.

If anyone has any info that would be great.

Cheers

W

[jonp]

wing tsun is the only true art

anybody who says otherwise is a liar

[mossman]

(ignore the one above me)

Main difference is attitude, as you can see.

[jonp]

eheheh

'Main difference is attitude'

now that statement is almost as stupid as mine.

if you actually wanted to help the guy you could at least
have said something useful.

wing chun is the a popular romanisation for the art
ving tsun is another one
wingtsun is used only by one lineage - leung ting's

people like to claim that there are differences between them
mainly for marketing purposes.

there are some differences, mainly superficial, weighting of feet
emphasis on principles, differences in form.

'attitudes' and quality of instruction will vary from person to person not lineage to lineage

a little bit of research on the net will answer your questions
im sure....

[PHILBERT]

As said above, Wing Tsun is only used by Leung Ting, and has a copyright on it.

Wing Chun is the most popular spelling of it.

Ving Tsun is how people in Hong Kong spell it. If you went to H.K. to where WSL use to teach, it says Ving Tsun on the sign.

[Phil Redmond]

William,
There were different WC lineages
http://www.wingchunkuen.com/
http://www.wingchunkuen.com/what/systems/index.html
before the Chinese began to use romanization. They had no need to because they wrote in Chinese. The way WC/WT/VT is written now is a new thing. The style of romanization used doesn't make one better than another. They're all pronounced Wing Chun in Cantonese proper.

[KenWingJitsu]

we're all in the same pigeon toed gang.......

[Phil Redmond]

Originally posted by KenWingJitsu
we're all in the same pigeon toed gang.......
I beg to differ Sir. No pigeon toes here......LOL

[Da_Moose]

Wing Chun - Praising Spring

Weng Chun - Everlasting/Eternal Spring

Ving Tsun - Praising Spring; Hong Kong Spelling due to British English. Yip Man did not like being associated with Water Closets, so the spelling was changed for that reason. For those who don't know, a Water Closet is a restroom in British English.

Other combinations are marketing strategies used to make one look different from another or for other reasons.

The main difference though in the Romanization of the Chinese is so we can tell the difference between Praising & Everlasting. Sifu Redmond is correct that in Chinese no such spelling changes were needed due to semantical correlations/culture clashes.


Steve

[Nick Forrer]

'a Water Closet is a restroom in British English.'

You mean English English surely;)

[cha kuen]

all those dumb cats should learn how to write wing chun in chinese characters so that none of the new cats get done confused up in this piece "yo"

[curtis]

Hello william
You have opened a can worms.
An un- biased opinion is what you need here.

What other people have said about the spelling, is true. that going from Chinese (actually a number a different dialects of Chinese) to English is rather troublesome.

But as I see it true difference is, the instructor. You see Yip Man only considered himself to be a sifu (not the only un-disputed grandmaster) when he died he never assigned a heir to the system. So after his death, a number of people all claims to be his predecessor.
The way I see it, since there can only be one grandmaster, each of these men chose a different way to advertise, by spelling and pronunciation of Wingchun from Chinese to English is a simple way justify the differences , Between each other.
Now Wingchun is an conceptual art. Each person who learns, modifies (or changes) the system according to their understanding of concepts, this to can also explained the vast differences between the arts. It's all in your point of view.
At least that's my point of view.
Sincerely. C.A.G.