MiZong/MyJong theory of origin

[ngokfei]

Wellhere is another one.

while researching MiZong Lohan/My Jong Law Horn.

The gap in the origins of MiZong pre sun Tong.

I posted this question to some friends and one who is studying buddhism came up with this item.

Mizong is a sect of buddhism which derived from Chan/Shaolin.
(another source has it as being only a tibetan sect)

Interesting....

When I did a search I get some various facts:

804 mizong buddhistm is mentioned when japanese monk Haikong came to china to study Mizong Buddhism.

Baodingshan (located in Dazu) is an important center of the Mizong or Tantric Buddhist faith popularized byZhao Zhifeng. His temple sculptures began in 1179 and were finished in 1249.

One particular Martial Art style which makes Mizong Tantic Buddhism its core is DaBeiChuan in Beijing. Original name was DaBeiTuoluoni Chuan, which translates into "Occult Mantra of Great Compassion Boxing." It is a Tantric Buddhist style which is associated with a sutra, the "Occult Mantra of Great Compassion Scripture It is said tohave been brought to Beijing in the 195o's and passedon to only a few individuals before the monk was killed by the reg guard fanatics. The actual form consists of about 210 movements it two circuits (lu). It is slow moving and looks rather like taiji, except for the fact that it moves in straight lines and has points where you hold mudras. Its good at working all of the muscle groups that shaolin and taiji miss. My teacher originally taught me to do it stretching out your arms at several points, which is consistent with chanmigong, a Tantric/Taoist hybrid form of qigong.
Like taiji, it is also a very effective form of qigong. However, the feeling that it gives you after practicing it is completely different in a way that I can’t really describe. While taiji gives you feelings of warmth and energy flow along your meridians, Beichuan just makes you feel empty. My teacher told me that you shouldn’t practice it and other Taoist forms of qigong in a row or it will screw you up…


well thats it, whats your opinion.

eric

[Tak]

Do you mean that you discount the legend? :eek:
Once there was a man that was a servant to a family that practiced Lo Han. The family refused to teach him, as the style was for the family only. However, the servant's quarters were in the attic, and there was a hole in the floor that allowed him to watch the family as they trained. However, due to the small size of the hole, he could only see bits and pieces of the forms and techniques that they practiced. So, he had to make up his own footwork to bridge the gaps. One day, the family's village was attacked by (insert offending group), and the servant stepped in and singlehandedly drove off the attackers, utilizing the style he had synthesized. The family, admiring the effectiveness of his footwork combined with their techniques, agreed to combine the servant's system (which they called "Mi Zong" since the footwork was so unpredictable) with their own and use that as the family style in the future. And they all lived happily ever after and found enlightenment together.

Seriously, I know little of the actual history, and nothing of Mizong Buddhism, and have never practiced Da Bei Quan.

[Losttrak]

Heres some info about Mizong and Mizong Lo Han

http://www.plumpub.com/info/knotebook/boxlosttrack.htm
http://www.whiteleopardkungfu.com/

[GeneChing]

... for that you'd have to refer to Outlaws of the Marsh (http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/kf200110.html). But if you can be patient, Eric, we have a nice Mizong article coming up in our next issue - it's at print now and it'll be on stands in the beginning of December (or, of course, you can subscribe! (http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/19341.html)) :D

[buddhapalm]

Hi Ngok Fei,
My favorite subjects :-)))))

In a book I have on MizongQuan:

YanqingQuan (MizongQuan) was taught by Sun Tong in Shandong Province, when he came to Cangzou about 200 years ago.......(after accidentaly killing his Sifu's daughter he escaped and went to Cangxian County and taught Wushu in Yaoguantun Village.

Sun Tong had taught YanChingQuan/Mizong to about a hundred students. Today the boxing is still passed on by the direct descendants of his five disciples: Chen Wanshan of Chengxiang, Su Jiayuan and Lu Gangchui of Cangxian County, Master Yu of Keniu, Monk Zhi Yuan of LiLongTun Village and Huo Xuwu of Anletun Village, Dongguang County (Now moves to Xiaonanhe Village, Qinghai County).
Of those mentioned above, Chen Wanshan has the largest number of folowers with more influence. .......After the Nanjing Wushu Institute was formed about ten followers from Chen Wanshan's branch and some later became section leaders or instructors at the institute. These included Guo Xishan, Li Yuanzhi, Sun Yuming, Li Linchun, Li Shuting, Chen Fengqi, Zhao Peng, Jiang RongQiao and Zhu Lianke .................................................. ...................................
Huo Xuwu is another reputed branch of YanQing Quan his great grandson Huo Yuan Jia, a great Wushu master, had beaten a foreign challenger and organized the "Jing Wu Society" in Shanghai.

From this book it seems that, if true, that all/most of recent Mizong comes from the same root, that is Sun Tong.

Though I had also thought of the possible connection to Mizong Buddhism, but did not know how to tie them together. I once, by e-mail, talked to an older man who said that he had learned a Kung Fu/Internal workings system from Tibet which was called Mizong. He told me the sytem was like extraordinarily slow Tai Chi somewhat where one holds poses for a very long time and the natural chi flow will break clogged passageways etc, allowing one full control of Chi through intent. Therefore one can transmit ones chi at will through the body or even along a sword. The uses were martial, spiritual and health regulation. I have lost contact with this man, but it sounded interesting and intruiging.

I am interested in finding out more on DaBeiChuan.

Cheers

Buddhapalm

[GeneChing]

Master Hon K. Lee of VA was the author.

[buddhapalm]

Hi Gene,
I am really looking forward to the article :-)

Cheers

Buddhapalm

[ngokfei]

Thanks

Gene: Wow must by karmic?? heh heh. Yep his website has him learning some special sword forms from this lineage. Great info.

PS: The past magazine you published on Gao Xian?? who appeared in Crouching Tiger. Does he given any insight into his Fan Tzi. I've seen his performance and its intense. Only problem is its hard to get private lessons from him on jus tFan Tzi. He teaches alot of the contemporary wushu stuff. But I'm will to pay $$$. Do you have a contact for him.

Buddhapalm.

interesting stuff. Got all these boxes and folders full of info on different styles through the years so just killing some time by combining all the notes into one. Kind of spring/winter cleaning.


later eric

[GeneChing]

Yeah, I love it when someone asks a question and I can answer it with an article currently at press. We enjoyed Hon Lee's treatment of what is a very big subject. I hope you will too.

As for Gao Xian, that was the May June 2002 (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=233), you'll find the article online. You can read it for yourself. He really didn't get into Fanzi too much. I don't have a contact for him, but Gigi might. I'll ask next chance I get and PM it to you if I find something. We also did an article on his master Ma Xianda, that was in our Nov Dec 2002 (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=236), also online. Again, not too much discussion of Fanzi - sorry. Maybe when you collate those notes you'll have something to submit to us. (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/about/guidelines.php) :cool:

[buddhapalm]

Hi Ngok Fei,
I do the same thing. I make binders by subject, style, era and region and have access to them for easy reference, or for Gene's articles......I only wish :-)))

Looking forward to the Article Gene. When is it at newstands ?

Cheers

Buddhapalm

[GeneChing]

Nowadays I have too much input and output to be that organized. I'm glad that you guys are that organized. I used to be so. Until I took this job... :rolleyes:

That article is at press now - it'll be on stands in the beginning of december.