unusual?

[saolim]

Hi Everybody,

Please take a look at attached file. That’s me in a unusual posture of the style of kung fu I practice. My question now is; does it look familiar, even vaguely, to anyone?

I’ve never seen it in any other style, so I’m curious if somebody else has.

[lungyuil]

Hi there,
that technique is in Hung gas tiger/crane form, though i think the body waist up twists alittle. i haven't practiced Hung ga for many years now but remeber the tech.

[saolim]

Thank you.

Intresting. I don't practice Hung Gar at all, although I remember my 'elder brothers' telling me that there are influences.

Anyone else has any thoughts?

[Serpent]

Flip the hands over so that they are back to back, push the knee forward over the toe and keep the body in one straight line from fingretip to rear heel and you have Hap Sao, the double spear strike to the throat from Choy Lee Fut. Several other styles have a similar technique.

[David Jamieson]

This is also found in North Shaolin as well.
It is definitely a buddhist kungfu thing :D

it has a similar if not same posture in Moi Fa.
in the lyrics for the style that are in the shaolin forum
you'll find it as "ring bell, beat drum, double striking palm" just before "little boy salutes the Buddha"

although you are dropping your head into your arms and theh BSL set does not do this. Instead it is a double slapping palm strike to the head followed by thrusting the fingers to the throat and sternum/solar plexus with the pressed palms.

cheers

[Fu-Pow]

My CLF Ng Ying form has this technique. It can be a throat strike or a way to deflect a downward attack from a staff.

[Serpent]

Fu-Pow - can you explain the staff deflection application?

[GARRA DE TIGRE]

this technique is found in a lot of systems like choy lay fut and lama pai . and is called in cantonese " tong jih baai fut " ( the child pray to buddha ) and also is called " the bodhissatvva pray to buddha "

i have te technique like a throat attack . but also somebody tell me can be applied for grab weapons . you got to strike 2 palms at same time like a aplause . must be very fast or you hand can be broken or slashing .

[Fu-Pau]

The technique/posture features in a couple of Chow Gar forms as well.

[omarthefish]

If it's a throat stab the guy must be 8 1/2 feet tall.

It's for grabbing a staff or other weapon. If the attacker swings down at you with an overhand strike, as long as he doesn't manage to somehow hit your fingertips straight on...the staff will be deflected at a very shallow angle. As it slides down your arm, you follow it, turning into a square horse and grab the offending weapon with both hands.

[Fu-Pau]

It can be used a throat strike, but in that case the stance should be a little lower (than in the photo), the level of the arms should be a bit lower (ie aimed at throat level) and the elbows bent a little more…

[buddhapalm]

I have this move in the beginning of one of my forms. I aim a little lower though. like throat level. Then I step back to a cat stance and open my arms like wings on each side of me (with hook beak hands)....

Interesting applications mentioned above by everyone.

Saolim, may we ask which moves precede and follow it ?

Which form is it included in ?

Cheers

[Shaolin Master]

That posture/movement is found in

Hung Ga
Xia Jia (Hap Ga) / Lama / Bak Hok
Fut Ga
Choy Lei Fut
Northern Hua Quan etc......

very common.

The execution and height differs .... for example posture more upright in Lama than in Hung ga.....but basically the same.


In terms of application as some mentioned and of course many more.

[Ming Fai]

Hi, nice to meet a fellow Dutch martial artist on the forum... :)

This posture of yours is a typical Arhat Boxing Technique (Luohan Quan). In Hung Gar, this movement is found in the Tiger Crane Form, technique 44 "Child Praying to Buddha" (Tongzi Bai Fo).

It can also be found in the Arhat Taming Tiger Form of Choy Li Fut and various schools of Long Fist. It is actually quite common.

Hope we can keep in touch. If you'd like to talk about Southern Shaolin, drop me a PM. Bye!

Ming Fai

[saolim]

Thanks everybody for your responses and interesting remarks.

Hung Gar, Choy Lee Fat mentioned a lot, Lama Pai, Chow Gar and the styles mentioned by Shaolin Master; not as unusual as I thought!

This technique was explained to me as being an attack to the throat. The picture shows the end-position; the technique follows through. I don’t know how to explain exactly; English isn’t my native tongue, but the picture shows the position where one would be after the actual trust. But looking carefully again at the picture; the arms a little lower would be ok as well.

The next movement is actually a grabbing movement, followed by a side kick with the right leg. So I liked omarthefish explanation a lot; makes sense.

The movements are repeated a few times in different directions.

I don’t know the Chinese name of this particular movement, but in other sets there is a movement called ‘the child pray to buddha’ (Tong Zi Bai Fo) Attached is a picture of that movement as practiced in our school. The style of kung fu I practice is based on Fujian Shaolin Kung Fu from Malaysia/Singapore, so Buddhist influences are certainly there.

The movement comes from a set form called ‘Shi Zi Quan’ Cross Character Boxing. Not an uncommon name; I think I saw this name pop up in this forum a few times before. Some more pictures of this set from can be seen here:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/info-kungfu-supply/martial/chap_jie_kun.htm

Maybe the third picture on the page is a little more ‘unusual’?

Best wishes,

Saolim

[CLFNole]

Depending on the dialect you use. What you link would be called Sup Gee Kuen in cantonese. Sup is cantonese for 10 and sup gee generally refers to the cross pattern in which the form moves.

Peace.

[mantis-1]

Hello there folks,

Interesting conversation, Fu-pau I am interested in your comment that it is found in some of the chow gar forms, could you enlighten me as to which forms. I have never seen this move in our system, there is something that vagely looks similar in the 10th form (looks like the very last image were it looks like you are praying with arms infront) but I cant recall any others?

thanks:)

[saolim]

I did learn the Fujianese dialect; if I would have to write it down in ‘English’ I would probably look like this: Chap Jee Kun. The dialect name is still used in class, but I prefer Mandarin and pinyin; I know a little bit more what I’m saying and writing when I use that.

And just like CLFNole said; the set moves in a cross pattern.

[5thBrother]

mantis-1

he means "Chow Gar (Jow Gar)" NOT "Chow Gar (Jow Gar) TONG LONG"

unless im mistaken?

[Fu-Pau]

mantis-1 / 5thBrother

Yes I mean Chow Gar (as in the style of Chow Lung also spelled Jow Ga)
But to answer your question I think it comes from either Dai Fok Fu or Lok Gok Cheung (or both?) … I haven't learned those two forms yet… only seen it in some forms that I haven't got to yet.

[saolim]

Hi all,

I checked with my teacher about the application of the 'unusual' technique, and omarthefish was right all along! The set was taught to me by an 'older brother' and he made a little mistake in explaining the technique...

"It's for grabbing a staff or other weapon. If the attacker swings down at you with an overhand strike, as long as he doesn't manage to somehow hit your fingertips straight on...the staff will be deflected at a very shallow angle. As it slides down your arm, you follow it, turning into a square horse and grab the offending weapon with both hands."

I'll try and find another 'unusual' picture and post it in this forum and see what happens. So look forward to 'The Unusual, Part II'

[saolim]

Hi all,

I checked with my teacher about the application of the 'unusual' technique, and omarthefish was right all along! The set was taught to me by an 'older brother' and he made a little mistake in explaining the technique...

"It's for grabbing a staff or other weapon. If the attacker swings down at you with an overhand strike, as long as he doesn't manage to somehow hit your fingertips straight on...the staff will be deflected at a very shallow angle. As it slides down your arm, you follow it, turning into a square horse and grab the offending weapon with both hands."

I'll try and find another 'unusual' picture and post it in this forum and see what happens. So look forward to 'The Unusual, Part II'