What to do if you get into a confrontation with a woman?

[ansgenius1]

I have never had to experience this, but what do you do if you are a male, and you get into a confrontation with a woman? Especially if she is experienced as a martial artist. Growing up, I have always been taught not to hit girls.

[JWTAYLOR]

They don't call it a b!tch slap for nothin.

;)

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[Water Dragon]

If a woman feels equal enough to hit you like a man, then by all means beat her like she is a man.

It's funny how "equality" has certain restrictions on it.

Although there are many styles, they all depend on the strong beating the weak and the slow falling to the quick. These are not related to the power that must be learned -- Taiji Classics

[Robinf]

JWT,

{slap} :D


On a serious note, if anyone presents a threat to you, then you have the right to protect/defend yourself by whatever means you deem necessary. Don't underestimate a woman. True, women often aren't as strong as men, but martial arts isn't about stregnth. It's about ability. If a woman feels she can take you on, then she probably can. Don't let her. Just one woman's perspective.

I'm glad chivalry is still alive and well, but you shouldn't risk your well-being because of it.

Robin

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[ansgenius1]

I guess I am a little surprised by the responses. Most guys I know would just try and restrain the female but not strike back.

[DragonzRage]

Grab her arms, bend her over and spank her for being a bad girl :D

[joedoe]

LOL @ DragonzRage :D

I would avoid hitting her, but that is just how I am. If it came to the point where I thought she might seriously hurt me (like if she is coming at me with a weapon) then I would have no problems with decking her.

That is, provided I was good enough to deck her :)

Guns don't kill people, I kill people

[nickle]

im doing wing chun, and there are a lot of women in my school, i usually find i end up not wanting to hit them in the head becuase i feel bad, however, one of my seniors, also a woman, beats the crap out of me if i dont hit her in the head during sparring.

apparently if you hit them in the tits its really painfull...anyone?

-specialization is for ants-

[WuMan]

Perhaps someone can tell me why it hurts a female when u hit her in the breasts? I asked my friend and she gave me a evil look and told me to try, I didnt really dare to.

[atsai]

Let me just rant for a while...

Some women label themselves as "feminist" but they're only consistent in inconsistency. Imagine you're on a crippled ship, hypocritic feminists turn to the men and
expect them to "act like a men." It's true that women have to work twice as hard to be half as good; but generally, it is acceptable(and often expected) in our culture for women to be weak. Men are not allowed to be weak. btw, all reference of "hypocritic feminists" refer to my mother and my older sister... :)

I'm sure if you have women in your school, they'll be insulted if you don't hit them as hard.

Out there, I would be REALLY careful not to hit a women in a confrontation; grappling is even worse! All they have to do is yell "help", then you become the bad guy.

Just remember what Jesus said, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." Wait, that doesn't help either... :confused: :confused:

Art

"You fight like you train." --Motto, USN Fighter Weapon School (TOPGUN)

[Vankuen]

Ive found that in an actual fighting environment that I will not just full out hit a girl like I would a man. I will at times slap her around a bit, but not with a full on hit that would normally drop a guy twice my size.

There are women out there that are good fighters, true, strength wise they are not up to par, but then think about all the times a smaller man over comes a larger and stronger one? To me its the same theory. Treat them with respect in that they may very well have the knowledge to screw you up and make you cry like a baby. But at the same time, only do what is necessary to end the confrontation. I tend to use this rule of thumb on both males and females, depending on the situation.

As was stated before, if someone comes upon you and a women fighting, even if she was the aggressor, it will be most likely the male who will look as the attacker to a bystander. Keep that in mind as well.

I like the whole double standard thing too about how women want to be equal but then pick and choose what they want to be equal in. That was a good point to whomever made the comment previously.

allright just my two cents. Train hard everyone!

"From one thing know ten thousand" - Miyomato Musashi, Book of five rings

[ansgenius1]

I often have to go easier on a female when we practice self defense techniques (i.e. chokes, arm bars). And the same goes for sparring. I wonder if there are any women in the forum who would like to express an opinion on this issue.

[8stepsifu]

I told the guy to avoid hitting her in the chest, but to feel free to hit her in the face. She dropped her jaw, but I added, "It's ok, she's tough"

Consider this also....my cousin got punched in the eye by a white trash 14 yr. girl at a Jack in the Box for no reason except to impress her familly.

My cousin who is a laid back bass player saw blotches in his vision for months.

Her little fist fit right in his eye socket.

:rolleyes: :mad:


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[Black Jack]

Treat the scag like any body else who is trying to put the hurt on you.

Boy, Girl, Punk Kid, Old People, I don't care who you are.

Regards

[Martial Joe]

Cover your nuts...
...The #1 target for weman...

[ansgenius1]

I think that could be said for any fight

[8stepsifu]

I don't see any woman successfully hurting me without a knife. First of all most women are conditioned not to fight and secondly most of them are smaller and weaker. Anyone I don't percieve as a threat, I can defend against with basic body controls, deflections and because of my footwork getting to a person's back is easy for me. I've done this a few times and the opponent has no idea that it's kung fu.

There was this mexican gansta girl that I knew of that fought off 6 cholos of another gang that were gonna rape her, she hospitalized them. She was easilly over 200 lbs, solid and "hit like a man"

To this day, I would **** myself rather than fight her. Her version of Iron Body is getting the crap beaten out of her since she was 3 and fighitng for survival. She didn't feel pain, but she could dish it out. I saw her fight another girl that was trying to "cat fight" by pulling hair.
"B" (beatrice) punched her once with her 5 lb fists and the b1tch was knocked out.

I also knew a guy that was born into a gang, he naturally had great kung fu that was just street fighting. He used his waist and punched in a blur. He had 5 bullet hole scars in him, but was a really laid back, funny guy. A karate guy went to fight him and kicked and emediately had 5 bruises along his leg before Orlando chain punched the fu9ck out of him. Just punching with no formal training of any kind, just lots and lots of street fights. Yeah he was cool, but unfortunately he's probably dead now. All of la Raza got killed, so I'm hoping he quit. His parents were in the gang so there was probably more social pressure there.


Fight TKD blackbelts, fight wrestlers, but don't fight mexicans


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[Seeker of the Way]

Naw, to be serious, a woman trying to maim or kill you is still a person trying to maim or kill you. I've been attacked by teenage girls, and one of them stood a feet taller than me (that'd be 6'11, anyone? :eek:), and kicked the sh#t out of me :(

I hate to sound cold, but if they have a knife, or even the intent to kill you, it's my opinion that you are in your good right to put them down. Young or Old. Male or Female. Maybe you have the skills to disarm and pin your assailant down without her getting hurt, all the more respect to you. But I'd react swiftly and violently.

And SO don't want to fight a mexican now :cool:

Peace,
SotW.

"I know Kung Fu."

[ansgenius1]

Aren't there any women in this forum? It seems like this thread is male dominated.

[Robinf]

It hurts to get hit in the breast for a woman about as much as getting hit in the groin for men. It's a sensitive area. Having received a hard blow to my left breast, I can say wearing a bra for the next couple of weeks after was quite uncomfortable.

Personally, I don't appreciate it when men "go easier" on me. I prefer that they give what they get. If I hit them hard, they should hit me with the same force. I don't get angry or take offense, or anything, but I just don't particularly care to have anyone *****foot around me. Go for the chest, if I get hit, it's because I let my guard down, and now I know I did.

I do go for the groin, and most men are apt to not protect themselves there. Except for one of our guys--he's quick.

Robin

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[ansgenius1]

Wow, I can't believe a woman is recommending to try and hit her in the chest. It's not like men ask people to try and kick them in the gonads.

[Robinf]

If I don't practice getting hit there, then I won't be prepared and that will remain a vulnerable area. I have to learn to keep my hands up.

Men should also practice protecting their groins. There is only one guy out of 25 in my kung fu class who actually protects his groin when I go for it. Not good.

Robin

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[Dragonhand]

Refreshing viewpoint. Thanks Robin ;)

[Mojo]

Robin
I think those other 24 guys are trying to tell you something. :D :p ;)

[Robinf]

Mojo,

LOL :p

The one guy who protects himself is only 16. The others are all in their 20s, 30s, and 40s. Does this mean that men give up after their sexual peak?

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[Dragonhand]

Robin, I had so much hope for you :(

[Mojo]

Robin
Maybe you should start making a little contact when you spar with those older guys and make them respect your attack to their groins. Nothing debilitating mind you, just a tap. ( I was going to say 'love tap' but thought better of it )
just a thought.

[Robinf]

Mojo,

What makes you take their reactions as disrespect. The realize that they could have been hurt and start to try to protect themselves, but the next time, they just don't think of it. I never took it as any sign of disrespect. I don't want to scare them out of practicing with me. They trust that I won't hurt them, that I have self-control. I'm not going to desecrate that trust.

Dragonhand,

What do you mean?

Robin

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[drunken_bo]

use Tae Bo on her....


(uncontrolled laughter)

"Survival of the fittest: If you lose you weren't fit. Sucks to be you."

[atsai]

I guess women have the unfair disadvantage here; the breasts area is large and easy to hit.

Robin,
When you said, "It hurts to get hit in the breast for a woman about as much as getting hit in the groin for men", how did you know that? :) :)

In this culture of political correctness, hitting women is still wrong. I wouldn't dare think of hitting a woman's breasts in a fight. Few people will take your side if you hit a women like that. Just think, when women got hit in tv or movie, it would be violence and it would be wrong. But when men getting hit, especially in the groin, it would be so darn funny, people taped it and sent it to "American funnies home videos".

I have read about "Nazi Lesbian Feminists", but I have never observed one in their habitats. NLF have no respect for men's crotch (yeah, right, Freud, "pen-is envy"). If they really want to hurt you, they would target the groin. I think the reason why many men fail to protect the groin is that we assume we would fight another men--men (me included) tend to respect other's manhoods. For us, groin attack is dirty trick, foul play and etc. I don't think serious women martial artists would be the aggressor out there, so hopfully, I don't have to worry about a skilled groin striker. But if the inevitable happens, and my woman counterpart is a skilled NLF, then I wouldn't hesitate to attack her between the legs too. Hey, I bet it hurts pretty much for them also!

Check out this Salon article (http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/01/22/women_warriors/index.html). I wonder if the movies are any inspiration to feminists...

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"You fight like you train." --Motto, USN Fighter Weapon School (TOPGUN)

[joedoe]

Well, I don't completely agree with you on that. I think on the street, a man would have no hesitation going for the groin strike. Like it or not, it is a weakness and as such is a fair target in a fight. And besides, if someone is going to fight you then it is pretty obvious they have little respect for you, let alone your manhood :).

Robin, I think in sparring most men would assume you aren't going to go for the groin out of courtesy, just like they won't go for your breasts out of courtesy. Not putting you down, just giving a reason.

I don't know what it is like for a woman to get hit in the breasts, but I can tell you that within about 5 seconds of getting hit in the crown jewels, men are essentially incapacitated. I have a decent tolerance for pain, but during a tennis game I copped a forehand drive to the nads from about 5 yards and I couldn't move for about 10 minutes. I felt like throwing up and I could not do anything to ignore the pain. It was 6 weeks before they no longer felt sore. I shudder when I think of what it would be like to be kicked in the nuts.

Guns don't kill people, I kill people

[Robinf]

You guys have to chill.

Men don't aim for the breast, but they don't want to punch to the face, so they aim for the chest, forgetting that I have sensitive areas there. It's nothing personal, it's just sparring. If it is something personal, then it's lost on me. I don't care what anyone thinks or wants. I'm in it for myself, and I want to be able to protect myself.

I have been hit in the breast with good force. The wind was knocked completely out of me. I couldn't breathe at all until I was able to relax. Then, I couldn't move my left arm, or bounce around at all--not without a great deal of pain and coughing. I had to stop sparring.

I hope no one takes this personally, but if you're a guy having to protect himself from another guy and you know that a groin shot will incompacitate him and end the fight without any real bodily harm, then it's pretty stupid to not go for that.

Robin

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[joedoe]

I agree with you Robin :)

Guns don't kill people, I kill people

[ansgenius1]

But what if a woman attacks you? Are you saying that you should hit her in the breast?

[joedoe]

Again, if you think you are in danger of being hurt, then attack whatever weakness presents itself to you.

Guns don't kill people, I kill people

[jameswebsteruk]

And it was not good.
On an almost empty English train, three 15(!) year old girls, off their heads on Vodka and Cocaine, started hassling me. Eventually one of them smacked me a couple of time in the face, and after pushing her away, all three set on me, punching, kicking etc.

I couldnt bring myself to hit them back. I took some hits, but I get a lot worse at training. I was able to grab the vodka bottle off one, when threatening by that, and eventually was able to get off the train.

Walking away was not an option, and the only way to stop them (bearing in mind their condition) was to really hurt one of them, which I didnt want to do.

I was happy in the end, as I had controlled the situation, and no one had got seriously hurt, but it annoyed me that they had "got away" with it, and did not realise how dangerous their behaviour had been. If I was not such a nice guy...
Anyway, the police said I had done the right thing, by not hitting back.
:p

But, I will never live it down.... and two of them were really hot, which made it worse. :D

[Son_Goku]

Hitting a women, no matter if already hit you or not, is a shame. and if they're hot...**** YOU!

Fear.....Fear attracts the fearful.....The strong....the weak....the innocent....
Fear is my ally

[Miai]

There are strong and weak females and there are strong and weak males. Skill has nothing to do with size or gender. Never walk into a "fight" thinking that you know the outcome of it and never
be pre-judgemental of the person/persons infront of you - arrogancy just might be the thing that will bring you down in the end. One should always look upon an opponent as just that - an opponent -nothing more and nothing less.

[ansgenius1]

I don't think I could bring myself to smack an attractive woman. On the other hand, troll-like women are a different story. All men are fair game for fights, no preferential treatment in any case.

[jameswebsteruk]

The fact that two of the girls were attractive just helped to add to the air of complete unreality about the whole situation. I just couldnt believe that it was happening.

If they had been men, even young ones, I wouldnt have had a problem.

It was weird, my adrenaline was up, but I had no way to release it, because I couldnt hit. When I got home, I worked it out on punching and pressups. That helped a bit.

[Abstract]

well, I've read the entire thread & I have to say that if someone is gonna attack me, regardless of man, woman, blah blah blah...if I feel my life is in danger, then i am gonna put them out. There is a woman in my WC class who kicks ALOT harder than some of the guys, she's the same size as me..5' 11''....she doesn't weigh what i do, but I'd be dammned if she's gonna hit/kick/grab me! she's tough. I too, have serious reservations about hitting a woman(raised to respect)but, man,(not to contradict myself ;) )if some chick comes at me w/a bottle, i'm breakin' noses. end of story.

[fei_jai]

I'd never hit a lady. But.... then again, if a woman attacked me with the firm intension of harming me.... she's not being very lady like, is she?

[Miai]

being lady-like, being a man... I would think that
the only thing that being a lady or a man really says about a person is what kind of body you have, genitals and all. There are so many different kinds of males and females and characteristics vary alot.

[triskellin]

That is our advantage, and that is your loss. You have already under-estimated us before you have even fought us. And that is how we come out on top.

9 times out of 10, a guy will not hit a girl, I'm glad chivalry is still alive, but it shouldn't exist in the fight for survival. If some b!tch has the gall to attack you, then f# hit her back! Why not? Unless you deserved it... I've never been hit in the breasts, wouldn't know if it hurts or not, most guys aim for my stomach in sparring. Or my face. They're scared I'll pound the crap out of them if they touch me *there*, I think sexual harrassment is more of an issue these days. Many times guys have said 'but if I hit a girl or even bear hug her, they'll scream sexual assault!' True, those cows need a lesson from me! j/k! :D I think it's a tendency that females in martial arts want the same treatment as guys, I mean it would be one of the reasons we started in the first place no?

As for groin hits, I can't speak for other females, but it's a reflex for me. The way I see it, if someone punches me in the face, they are expecting me to retaliate back around that area as well. Therefore they're ready to defend, they're not really worried about their lower body, so i'll kick them in the nads!

Try and think of it as a favour to the females in your class when you go all out of them. Look at how many girls get raped and beaten, those guys have no shame, and they're the ones I'm worried about. You're cheating me out of truely knowing how to defend myself from these scums by going too soft.

that's my 5.50am sleep deprived mind talking! night!

[LiquidJaguar]

This may seem crude but grab her breast and squeeze and she will surrender.

[JasBourne]

If a woman attacks you, defend yourself. There are no rules in assault, there are no rules in violence. Personal combat does not distinguish gender.

If a woman assaults you because she is counting on your belief that 'you don't hit girls', dispell that notion at once. You would not allow a man to attack you, why allow a woman?

Conversly, do not attack women because you assume they cannot fight back. I do. And I am NOT nice about it. When anyone, male or female, assaults me, I assume they mean to kill me and I do *everything* in my power to stop them.

I do not 'automatically' go for the groin - the groin is only one of many target areas (although a **** good one). I go for whatever target is in the closest, most direct line. If I am attacked by a very tall person, I will most likely strike up into the diaphragm, just below the sternum. If the person is more my height, I will pierce the eyes. If I do not have a clear shot in the upper or middle gates, I will go for the groin, which Robin is right, is generally undefended.

All depends on what the other person is doing. 99 times out of 100, a person cannot attack and still defend all gates simultaneously. If you let the attacker 'tell' you what they are going to do by comitting to a move, you will know where they will not be, and you can strike there.

Strikes at the breast: They hurt PLENTY. I wear a polyethelyne protector to practice, so the guys will not be inhibited. Same principle as the guys wearing cups. Don't count on a strike to the breast to stop a woman, though - it hurts, but it does not incapacitate ;)

To the guy who believes that "Nazi Lesbian Feminists" are more than just a figment of Rush Limbaugh's mommy-issues nightmares, let me know when you meet a real live one, I wanna call Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not! :D :D :D

peace,
Jas

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[Scott]

Fight like your martial art was made to fight. Kung Fu was made to fight men and women alike, because of the time periods and customs that ran along the times of the creation of the styles. If anyone attacks you, assume two things and fight in this manner

1) The attacker is trying to kill you
2) The attacker is stronger than you

99% of the time only a larger person will attack you, unless they are the rare occurence of a martial artist. Very rarily does a smaller person with no training attack a larger person.

Always assume your attacker is trying to kill you. If he is, and you don't think he is, you'll probably end up dead. If he isn't, then you're still alive. You should be able to end a fight without KILLING someone, because it my experience it is harder to kill someone than not kill someone--but if I was attacked with no knowledge about my assailant I would not hesitate to remove an eye, be it a man or woman. A drugged or drunk woman can be just as aggressive as a drugger or drunk man, after all.

-Scott

"Life is hard, but so am I." -- The Eels.

[shaolinboxer]

If you fight a woman, the law is on her side. If you bruise her and are unharmed, she can file a civil suit against you which she will probably win (even if there are no criminal charges).

If you hit a woman (and you are a man), if she's smart you'll lose in the long run. Even if its as brutally simple as her having two big older brothers.

It's a big risk you take...