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red5angel

07-31-2003, 10:23 PM

with all the arguing about what works and what doesn't why don't we start with a list of stuff we have seen work before and stuff we have seen fail miserably. Could have been your experience or an experience you witnessed.

I used a double punch to the chest in high school to knock the wind out of a guy larger then me. That worked.
I have seen 2 tornado kicks from good old fashioned TKD work.
I used bong sau and lap sau at a party to stop some guy from trying to hurt me last year.
I saw someone use a sock fuill of pennies to good effect once.
I knew a wrestling freind of mine who liked to fight, he won most of his fights with wrestling/submission type stuff.

Shaolin-Do

07-31-2003, 10:27 PM

"I saw someone use a sock fuill of pennies to good effect once."

Ive seen a sock filled with a cueball off a pool table used with excessive efficiency once.

Have seen a straight kick to the solar plexus.
Drunken spinning backfist (really drunken, not stylistic) :)
Any person who knows how to throw well that I have seen in actual fights, tend to do really well. In real fighting situations, thats probably one of the best bets... using the ground as weapon. :)

Watched a grappler take someoen down with an armbar, another time with a rear naked choke.

And of course, who can forget the "shredder" technique that was so thoughtfully posted the other day :D

fa_jing

07-31-2003, 10:39 PM

Jabs work. Wild right hooks often miss.

red5angel

07-31-2003, 10:41 PM

I've seen good jabs work too. I have also seen a good eye poke work, although it was in practice they were practicing eye pokes and it sure as hell worked!
I've also seen a few sweeps thrown but have never seen one work yet.

Water Dragon

07-31-2003, 10:50 PM

Oh believe me, foot sweeps work.

truewrestler

07-31-2003, 10:55 PM

Oh believe me, foot sweeps work. I 2nd that

StickyHands

07-31-2003, 11:02 PM

Gokou's Kamehameha and ki (chi) blast!

norther practitioner

07-31-2003, 11:03 PM

I've used a sweep in a "street" confrontation, worked well... a front kick (low) I like (I've had that work too) into a throw setup... if the guy drops his guard....
straight punches (jabs) work well, seen way too many big haymakers miss.

Shaolin-Do

07-31-2003, 11:05 PM

That was... confusing as hell?
:confused:
:)

Not the style but the stylist. I can drink you under the table.
:D

Blah..
Im hella bored with 1 hour left on the clock....

truewrestler

07-31-2003, 11:07 PM

53 minutes here ;)

StickyHands

07-31-2003, 11:07 PM

No, but the uncertainty, debauchery, mutilation, and the lack of prudent, profound consent.

Jowbacca

07-31-2003, 11:11 PM

My favorite technique is to time my combos to start just as the cute girl at the gym's walking by.. :D DEVASTATING

Suntzu

07-31-2003, 11:23 PM

:D tried that yesterday........ didn't get the #...:(

red5angel

07-31-2003, 11:26 PM

I believe a foot sweep can work, I have just never seen one work. The point is to site examples you have seen of various techniques working, that way we could possibly get an idea if all this chest thumping baout whose art is better and some such is for real.

Shaolin-Do

07-31-2003, 11:32 PM

"tried that yesterday........ didn't get the #..."

Contrary to popular belief, most chicks dont dig dudes that fight.
They like guys who can fight, but not that do fight. Better to meet on a different and more sissy note.
:)
(asking broads, errr... women at the mall to "help find a shirt for your sister" works really well for me....)
:)

R5, I have seen takedowns work several times, a couple of them from completely untrained people.

Golden Arms

07-31-2003, 11:34 PM

Aikido throws work..I used irimi nage on a couple different occasions and once tenchi nage as well...believe it or not....scissor kicks to the legs or even the body work REALLY well if the guy doesnt see it coming..I have seen this techniqe worked by a 190+ lb, over 6ft tall guy as well...for you grapplers..the scissor kick could sort of be said to look like a flying arm bar...

red5angel

07-31-2003, 11:37 PM

important I think to note if it was used by a trained or untrained person as well.

Judge Pen

07-31-2003, 11:39 PM

I have seen Aikido throws work, but only when the attacker was coming really hard with a committed but undisciplined attack. I suppose they may work against a wild haymaker, but I have doubts that you could use an Aikido throw an someone with a good base that uses a jab effectively.

Shaolin-Do

07-31-2003, 11:43 PM

On the note of jabs...
Overhand right (just say right cause im a righty) is similar but much more powerful... Seen a couple experienced boxers take people out with it.

Judge Pen

07-31-2003, 11:47 PM

I prefer a mid level straight puch ala "crushing hand" in Hsing-I. I've put some people down using this technique in sparring.

StickyHands

07-31-2003, 11:50 PM

Anyone applied any Hung Gar or Southern Fist techniques?

Golden Arms

08-01-2003, 12:11 AM

The first guy I ever used irimi nage on i later found out was a pretty **** good amature boxer. So I can safely say that the aikido throws work just fine against people with disciplined attacks as well.they are just a LOT more fun on people that throw their balance as they move ;) Hung Gar works awesome in fights, but the only part of it you will be able to use well for a couple years is how hard it makes you hit. My sihing works as head of security for a large hotel here, and he has used it lots of times against people..he said he prefers tai chi though because it tends to not mess the person up so bad, they just cant figure out what the hell is happening.

truewrestler

08-01-2003, 01:09 AM

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/pictures/WilliamsDefColeman_KO.jpg

Here is a round house that worked.... so much for the horse stance :p

Check out video of the KO in this UFC KnockOuts video: http://www.sherdog.com/videos/ufcknockouts/ufcknockoutsvideo.shtm

norther practitioner

08-01-2003, 01:23 AM

Ouch.. looks like that guys face is about to cave....:eek:

truewrestler

08-01-2003, 01:28 AM

He took multiple legkicks, was very tired, and was expecting another legkick... doh

He was fine though...has fought many times since. Mark Coleman is actually the guy being choked out in my avatar.

SifuAbel

08-01-2003, 01:37 AM

truewrestler

08-01-2003, 01:39 AM

hahahaha, i know i know...

...your comment just cracked me the **** up

Jook Lum

08-01-2003, 06:34 AM

I saw a guy get hit in the face about 5 times with the hand piece of a telephone,then the guy started choking him with the cord after he hit him with the phone.It was entertaining!

1renox

08-01-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by truewrestler
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/pictures/WilliamsDefColeman_KO.jpg

Here is a round house that worked.... so much for the horse stance :p

Check out video of the KO in this UFC KnockOuts video: http://www.sherdog.com/videos/ufcknockouts/ufcknockoutsvideo.shtm

Saw that fight. Was very good, but IIRC, Coleman was tired and it wasn't a long fight either.

Before this fight, there seemed to be a big argument about how high kicks didn't work in "real life".

SifuAbel

08-01-2003, 09:22 AM

"Before this fight, there seemed to be a big argument about how high kicks didn't work in "real life"."

Typical............

Now its a law. It is written in the sacred UFC texts.

red5angel

08-01-2003, 05:03 PM

right, until some reality fighter does it on video it can't work.

Water Dragon

08-01-2003, 05:10 PM

Which is the better attitude to have?

1. Assume something doesn't work until you have it proven to you.

2. Assume something works because Sifu told you so?

Judge Pen

08-01-2003, 05:13 PM

Just because it works for your sifu doesn't mean it will work for you. Just because it works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone else. I take option C, forget about what people say works and doesn't work and do what works for you. The trick is figuring out what that is, but you sifu is the best place to start.

Black Jack

08-01-2003, 05:14 PM

3.) Assume something works because gray aliens telepathicaly downloaded it into your mind while you were watching Jenna Jameson perform the Lindy Hop with Kobi Tai.

Oso

08-01-2003, 05:14 PM

Anyone applied any Hung Gar or Southern Fist techniques?

yea, waaay back in the summer of 82, about 3 months after I started training in hung gar I used a front kick to the solar plexus of a guy that was swinging on me.

oh, wait, that's not just a hung gar technique.:D

but, I didn't get into a single fight the rest of my high school years

red5angel

08-01-2003, 05:21 PM

Water Dragon, there is a lot to "proving" that a technique works. For instance most techniques are really reliant on the person using them. I know for example that high kicks would just get me killed, I can't kick fast enough. So I don't use them and might have a hard time proving to someone they can be useful. I don't punch particularly fast either but I can hit pretty dang hard, dos that mean if everytime I connect I ring someones bell, that that technique is going to work all the time?

I think the best attitude to have is to not worry about it so much, know yourself and your capabilities and train hard.

SevenStar

08-01-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Judge Pen
Just because it works for your sifu doesn't mean it will work for you. Just because it works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone else. I take option C, forget about what people say works and doesn't work and do what works for you. The trick is figuring out what that is, but you sifu is the best place to start.

That's a very good point. Regardless of whether it works for me, it still doesn't solve the issue of whether or not it can work because it may not work for someone else. I for example, like sweeps also. I know they can work. BUT, I'm 5'9 and stocky... that's not the profile for the typical guy who can pull off a sweep. several other guys my height and build have problems with sweeps. Since I have a lower center, pickups, hip throws, etc are easier for me than they would be for a tall person. It's all relative.

StickyHands

08-02-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Golden Arms
The first guy I ever used irimi nage on i later found out was a pretty **** good amature boxer. So I can safely say that the aikido throws work just fine against people with disciplined attacks as well.they are just a LOT more fun on people that throw their balance as they move ;) Hung Gar works awesome in fights, but the only part of it you will be able to use well for a couple years is how hard it makes you hit. My sihing works as head of security for a large hotel here, and he has used it lots of times against people..he said he prefers tai chi though because it tends to not mess the person up so bad, they just cant figure out what the hell is happening.

Im sorry, could you explain, Im not getting it when you said it only works for a couple of years is how hard it makes u hit? Are you saying that after a while, as you age, you cant hit as hard or are u saying only after a couple of years of training, how hard u hit improves?

Christopher M

08-02-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by red5angel
there is a lot to "proving" that a technique works.

I like the way this is going; but I'd say take it a step further:

It's not techniques that are proven in the first place. If you gain superiority on someone (eg. of position, posture, and balance), you can pull off just about anything on them. In other words, it's not how you knock them down, but how you set them up, which is really the contention.

This can have alot of implications for training as well. Do you spend most of your time training techniques, or training methodologies that make techniques work? How does this relate to your agreement or disagreement with the above?

I think you can see this line of reasoning at play in judo's pedagogy of kuzushi, BJJ's positions, taiji's push hands, etc.

JusticeZero

08-02-2003, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by StickyHands
Im sorry, could you explain, Im not getting it when you said it only works for a couple of years is how hard it makes u hit? Are you saying that after a while, as you age, you cant hit as hard or are u saying only after a couple of years of training, how hard u hit improves? It appeared to be that for the first several years, you gain skills in hitting really hard. After several years, all the other material starts to click in and become workable techniques, and you no longer have to rely mainly on only hitting hard. Presumably the other techniques are coded in in a way that they aren't focussed on or easily practiced until the foundation (which creates hard hitting power at even lower levels) is completely wired in.

JusticeZero

08-03-2003, 11:21 PM

Or it could be like a lot of our throws.. really sweet, but exceedingly hard to sink on someone in the same art..

StickyHands

08-04-2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Golden Arms
The first guy I ever used irimi nage on i later found out was a pretty **** good amature boxer. So I can safely say that the aikido throws work just fine against people with disciplined attacks as well.they are just a LOT more fun on people that throw their balance as they move ;)

That's what I figured. So contrary to what many people say in this forum, Aikido does work against resisting opponents right? It does deal with full force of attack or even a person calmly standing there? Because I found it really weird, Ive seen people in Aikido throw a flawless spin air throw from just by the uke sort of trying to give his hand like a handshake to trying to karate punch the nage, although I havent seen a demonstration where the uke was fully resisting.