American ginseng

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Is American ginseng (Panax Quinquefolius) safe to take on a daily basis if one tends to be a bit (kidney) yin deficient? I'm referring to a daily dose of a couple of grams (dried) steeped in hot water 2-3 times then eaten.

I need a relatively inexpensive general tonic. I'm in OK shape overall, but I have tendency towards qi deficiency. I practice taiji somewhat regularly. Should I combine the ginseng with some other herbs to balance things out?

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nobody?

[Repulsive Monkey]

Where on earth did you get that Idea from. If you already have Kidney Yin Xu then adding extra heat in the form of Ginseng will not exactly help it, but if your Kidneys are fine then a) You don't really need Gindeng and b) they will actually add more strength to them. Older people take Ginseng because they ARE KIDNEY YIN XU!!!!!!

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"Where on earth did you get that Idea from. If you already have Kidney Yin Xu then adding extra heat in the form of Ginseng will not exactly help it, but if your Kidneys are fine then a) You don't really need Gindeng and b) they will actually add more strength to them. Older people take Ginseng because they ARE KIDNEY YIN XU!!!!!!"

Which idea? What I gather from your post is that it's not the best idea to take ginseng if your are kidney yin xu (which I assume to mean deficient), but old people take it because they are kidney yin xu...so is it good or bad?

I read that the American species of ginseng is a lot cooler than Asian ginseng. I figured it'd be safer to take than warm asian/korean ginseng for someone like me with deficient kidney yin and overall jing/qi deficiency.

I appreciate your help. I'm not trying to fiddle with my system too much, but I can't afford to see a TCM doctor for a while, and like I said I wanted a relatively inexpensive tonic that was safe for me to take.

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Tony,

I must have missed the thread where you suggested this to someone.

Please elaborate on your advice, I am curious as to why qigong is better for someone under 40.

I have been slacking big time on my training....boo

Thanks.

[Repulsive Monkey]

Traditionally distcance from the source deenoted how serious a problem was in TCM, so having do some qi-gong therapy or qi projection was needed for when some was mildly unwell, then the next stage for worsening disease was acupuncture and then if someones life was threatened they would go internally and give then herbs to ingest. Do you really need herbs to correct yourself? How bad are the symptoms? to be honest even learning some basic acupressure with qi-gong would probably be the best route.
By the way who diagnosed your Kidney Yin Xu? and what level was it diagnosed? How bad is it? Sometimes merely making lifestyle changes can bring it back into balance without direct treatment.

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My TCM doctor diagnosed the kidney yin xu. He did not say how bad it was, probably because he didn't want to freak me out. I was having a lot of anxiety at the time.

I'll try doing qigong and make sure to get enough rest, eat well, all that.

[WanderingMonk]

Originally posted by looking_up
My TCM doctor diagnosed the kidney yin xu. He did not say how bad it was, probably because he didn't want to freak me out. I was having a lot of anxiety at the time.

I'll try doing qigong and make sure to get enough rest, eat well, all that.

I understand the American Ginseng is the yin variety unlike the Korean Ginseng. If you take it, you will feel cooler. I use it during the summer somtimes.

Instead of ginseng, I will suggest food treatment. I will suggest you to pick up some pork kidney or sheep/goat kidney (even better, but taste much worst and the smell is horrible). Some US market carries these. Steam it, boil it, whatever, just don't frying it. Add whatever flavoring needed for you to eat it. Although it won't taste very good (downright nasty), it will help with kidney issue as long that you don't have an extremely serious problem which require hospitalization. Your should take some once a day for four weeks.

Most people can't handle it, but it will be much cheaper.

Avoid spicy stuff and sweets. get plenty of sleep and approriate exercise. avoid stress.

not medical advise, but just some TCM food treatment suggestion. but if your problem get serious, do consult "western" medical science.

good luck.

wm

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WM,

I appreciate your suggestion for dietary treatment. I am interested in the dietary side of TCM too.

I think I have a pretty mature palette and can eat a lot of "exotic" foods. I've even taken some Chinese herbal medicine and I didn't think it was too bad. But the thought of eating pork kidney sound pretty gross :) maybe I need to get some recipes for kidney pie from the Brits...

Are there any other foods that you might recommend that can help to strengthen the kidneys?


Thanks!

[Jack Squat]

Looking Up

American Ginseng (xi yang shen) is classified as an Herb to Tonify Yin. It is sweet, slightly bitter, and cold, and enters the Heart, Kidney, and Lung channels. It benefits the qi, generates fluids, and nourishes the yin.

American Ginseng is a great herb for yin deficiency. Repulsive Monkey is correct in that generally speaking, most Ginseng will heat you up, but not American Ginseng. It is cooling and actually generates fluids. I highly recommend it for Americans (who tend to be too hot anyway). However, I'm not sure if that's what I would prescribe for someone with anxiety...

However, if your TCM doc told you to take it, he/she must be seeing something in your pattern that dictates it.

The food therapy advice is good, but impractical to most people. Just take the Ginseng-it's affordable and convienent, and works wonders.

Jack

[WanderingMonk]

Originally posted by looking_up

Are there any other foods that you might recommend that can help to strengthen the kidneys?


Sorry, I have basically shared everything I know about the dietary therapy for kidney issue.

about the preparation: the point of eating pork kidney is because it is made of the similar protein material which human kidney is made up. So, one is basically providing his body with the proper parts to repair his own kidney. boiling/steaming won't damage the protein structures in the pork kidney. frying would and I am not sure about baking in oven b/c it tends to dehydrate the whatever is being cooked.

I would also advise you to stay away from spicy stuff. sweets is okay but in only moderation.

Keep yourself hydrated (drink enough water). Sometimes, people take in too much minerals (like calcium resulting in kidney stones) and other artificial chemical which place the kidney under stress. Water will help dilute mineral/chemicals and purge it from your system.

stay away from over-stimulation (porn and excessive mental activities) which also put kidney under stress.

basically, if a person want to return his body to a healthy state, he must re-evaluate multiple aspect of his life-style (there's is no magic bullet and I find western medical thinking overly dependent on taking pills or medicine. but in acute case, western medical service should be sought because it is superior in this apsect.).

that's my rant.

good luck.

wm

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I get the feeling that American ginseng will probably not hurt me, but I think I'll focus on eating the right kinds of foods and doing my zhan zhuang and taiji every day. I'll use the ginseng sparingly as a supplement. Avoiding too much mental stimulation will be hard, as my job is basically nothing but mental work.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

[Black Jack]

From a western medical perspective. American Ginseng like its brothers is a adaptogen and has been used for combating stress, increasing mental function, stamina and vigor.

It is the standardized components in ginseng called ginsenosides that stimulate the immune system to fight fatigue and improve the above stated attributes.

I take Siberian and Korean Ginseng together on cycles. I am not sure what you are asking as I am not a believer in TCM but there are a lot of good benefits backed by scientific study for American ginseng use such as diabetes, high blood pressure, diminished sex drive and infertitlity and of course combating stress.

Koeran gingseng would also include Chronic fatigue symdrome, anxiety, menopause related problems, and even hangover. Siberian seems to be more focused on the impotence and diminished sex drive adaptogenic effects.

[Repulsive Monkey]

There is a lot of good sicentific back from a TCM perspective for the non-use of Ginseng in Yin Xu conditions.

Fair enough if you don't advocate TCM but that doesn't negate the caution one should take with a warming herb for a condition that should have any extra heat added to it.
I think you'll find that any model of medicine would say that that was a good idea.