Me? Banned?

[shaolin kungfu]

Does anyone think i should have been(or should be) banned for saying NAMAT sucks? Is this really that big of an offense compared to everything else that is said on these forums?

Man those wing chun guys are touchy.

[rubthebuddha]

what be namat? hope it's not like nambla.

[apoweyn]

Banned from what? You're still here. Banned from the wing chun forum?

[shaolin kungfu]

This is namat. (http://www.geocities.com/namatkungfu/)

[shaolin kungfu]

The wing chun moderator threatend to ban me. I just wanted to see if anyone agrees with him that it's an offense worthy of banning.

[Liokault]

I have mixed feelings on this.

While NAMAT clearly is sucking extream arse, I feel that you should indeed be banned.

[rubthebuddha]

er.

um.

first thing i noticed was they had a link to a list of secret techniques. on a public website. i gave up after that.

as far as the wing chun forum, it's because it's a hotbed of *****ing and bickering about pointless things. sandman has made it abundantly clear time and again what behavior is and is not appropriate. he even had a thread asking if we should have a specific thread in which we could discuss stuff without as much inhibition -- and we wound up *****ing and moaning on that one, too. sure, namat looks like a joke of the assiest kind, but be careful where you post your observations, and give sandman the benefit of the doubt (and ask that he does the same for you).

[shaolin kungfu]

OK. I see where he was coming from. But I still don't think anyone should be banned for saying something about namat. Although he was nice enough to give me a warning, so maybe i'm over reacting.

[tsunami surfer]

You must be hitting a nail on the head and they can't handle it. Even though I dont care for most of what you say what kind of world would this be if we only listened to things we like.
If namat is reputable organization they should be able to counter argue with you from a position of strength. If they cannot then they must be exposed as frauds. Banning a voice in the wilderness is supporting fraud.

[apoweyn]

Originally posted by shaolin kungfu
The wing chun moderator threatend to ban me. I just wanted to see if anyone agrees with him that it's an offense worthy of banning.

Wow. That seems like such an odd thing to push you over the edge. With all the sh-tslinging that goes on here, why that?

Whatever. If he gave you a warning, that's fair enough. But having laid into NAMAT a few times myself, I'd probably get banned.


Stuart B.

[chen zhen]

If you should be banned, it should be because of the "bouncy bouncy", nowwatamsayin..:cool:

Call the cops!!..:p

Where there any practicioners of namat who got mad and reported it to the moderator, or what? I don't understand:confused:

[Judge Pen]

After looking at that website, I think you should be given an award. I do see why the moderator would like to keep thread discussions constructive but that site was the silliest thing I had seen in a while. Are you telling me that they are not being satirical?

[shaolin kungfu]

If you should be banned, it should be because of the "bouncy bouncy", nowwatamsayin..

Hehe. I got a new girl. This ones blonde.:D

Where there any practicioners of namat who got mad and reported it to the moderator, or what? I don't understand

Maybe, the guy got mad, but i don't know if he reported it.

[chen zhen]

if he seriously trained at namat, he must've been geeky enough to report it.

[Former castleva]

lol When I first read the title of your thread,I thought it had something to do with "bouncy bouncy" but this is even more hilarious.

[Kristoffer]

I thought so too. Some moderators are really GAY

[chen zhen]

Banning time for ya, kristoffer.
you called the moderators gay.


:o :D

[red5angel]

Shaolin, let me give you a little piece of advice, if you go to the wingchun forum, bring some popcorn and a soda and sit back and enjoy the action. You see, those wingchun guys like to talk about all things not wingchun, unless its about lineage or whose is better. Ask a question about technique, get a an argument on what lineage does it best. Ask a question on how to deal with a technique, get some vagueries and esoteric crap, then an argument on who does it better. God forbid you ask mention mixing wingchun with something else, or that wingchun doens't have a ground game, get some more crap, and argument about who does ground work better and more, and why wingchun guys don't need to address the ground.
Even the more mature, and I mean age not maturity, are probably some of the worse, and some of them are sadly, sifu!!
Now all of this crappiness infects the admins over there as well. eventually they get the Whining Throat of wing chun down and they begin to start arguments on how censored that forum should be. Usually it starts with "Can't we all just egt along" then "Play nice" Then "No more discussions about lineage" eventually, although all of the admins have cracked before this stage, all they will have to talk about is disney land the Cheung/Boztepe fight, although normally you just get a bunch of excuses as to why that went down the way it did.

Point being this, don't bother. This forum is pretty good, and some of the other forums are pretty good for information and such. You always get some bickering, some childishness, but never in the magnitude you will over there in the Good ole Whine Chun forum.

[OdderMensch]

Ok Red5

I know you've had your little MMA moment of clarity but you, thats right YOU spewed more crud on that forum than any other non banned, non troll poster. Or is it so long ago that you've forgeten how smitten you were with why everyone needed to drop what they were doing and learn YOUR sifu's Wing Chun

I belive Old Jong said it best.

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Yeah, anyone posting or reading should do so with a grain of salt at the ready, but don't stir it up then critize those of us that remain behind. :mad:

On and to the OP, I thinnk you should be banned myself, that way, I can steal your avatar ;)

pps, I prefer the brunete :D

[red5angel]

oddermensch, yep, rub already called me on it and I explained at one point I was a mouth piece, but no longer. It's a den of garbage really. There are on or two people worth listening too but the rest are going to rot on the internet imagining they know what wing chun is really all about. My opinion on that doesn't change, otherwise I believe they would be alot more civil, alot more freindly and a lot more realistic. However the cloaked utterings of mystic "wisdom", the garbage spewed about you don't need this or that and some of the other crap that is repeated just goes to show that wing chun is a dying art that will soon be left to the pansies and the daisies and the little sissy boys trying to find themselves. You can have it, I don't need it. I am getting out, experienceing other things and not bothering to toss meaningless dribbble around on an internet forum. It's the most pathetic forum on this whole website. Visit any other specifically wing chun list serves or forums lately? Same **** thing, same **** people. I say stay tucked in to that cute little wing chun world you guys and girls want to build. What cracks me up even more is being on these lineage specific forums and listening to you guys bash each other on them, while on an open forum patting each other on the a$$ and playing freindly like. It's pathetic and most WC people are the same. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or bites you in the ass, frankly I don't care. I have met a couple of those jokers the rest of you talk about having a lot of respect for on the public forums. Fat, lazy, old and fooling themselves is all they got. If that is what the younger WC guys respect then the art is already lost, it goes with Ken Chung and a few others who have had enough respect and love for the art to practice everyday day in and day out and really do something with it.

[OdderMensch]

Don't worry about my feelings, the only thing that bite me is you tryin to take the higgh road with your very troubled past on that forum, and your very limited veiw of the WC world. While I am no great master, nor have I seen all there is to see within the system or the comunity, I still feel I have a more balanced view of what WC is and is not from my study, you find what you seek, if you look for crud, you will find it in abundance, but there be pearls o' wisdom a'plenty if you know what to look for.

But that's right you don't need 'em, you're young and strong and fast, well, I plan to get old someday, but not lazy ;) effecient maybe, but not lazy.

But hey, you did what you did and you admit it, I can respect that, just don't go badmouthing my friends ok :D

[rubthebuddha]

then probably some responsibility for helping make or keep it a den of dookie would be in order rather than criticising it for being something that you contributed to.

when i first started here, i loved the WC forum. i remember when you first started, and i remember defending you when people started asking if you should be banned. eventually, i actually started reading some of the verbose chat you gave about how great this is and how everyone else is wrong. i got sick of it, and stayed of the WC forum for a couple months because of it and more like it. (actually, it was another person from my own family who was spouting off more than you that sickened me the most. many a time was i tempted to write that guy's sifu and tell him that his own student is making an ass out of his family).

quitting WC and quitting the mouthpiece work doesn't give room to adopt a holier-than-thou attitude, particularly because, as everyone tried to tell you before, you still don't know that much about WC.

however, to deny your accuracy when you call a spade a space would be unfair. the WC forum suffers from such problems pretty badly. perhaps the WC forum should be stuffed in with the southern forum so sevenstar and sandman could sit back and watch the sparks fly. now THAT would be a site for soda and popcorn. i'll even buy that guiness that i still owe you.

[rubthebuddha]

for the record, namat isn't much better than nambla. at least nambla isn't "kid"ding around.




:o <ducks>

[shaolin kungfu]

Whats nambla?

[ZIM]

R5A has had his experience with it and is upfront about it; experience does count.

He has a point about the forums- the constant arguing about lines and posturing, tending to fiefdoms, etc. really does give a bad taste... personally I go there out of pure schadenfreud.

After some reflection, I'm thinking its becoz WC/WT is a section or skill of a larger art, blown up out of proportion. "You don't need anything else" means "we don't have anything else"- which is alright and great, if that skill works well for you. Why adding to WC/WT/etc became a sin I don't understand, given that premise.

R5A-check this one (http://pub47.ezboard.com/firishmartialartscommunityfrm39.showMessage?topicI D=4.topic) its the kind of posting that I think should be done there, but never will, even if it is a general kind of thing.

Anyway, whatever whatever

[rubthebuddha]

north american man-boy love association

[shaolin kungfu]

Dear god! Why the hell would they have one of those?

[shaolin kungfu]

Nevermind, I don't want to know.

[rubthebuddha]

good. leave it at that.

[rubthebuddha]

zimmy,

the completeness of wing chun i'll leave to that other forum ;), but there is no sin in adding to it. lots of WC folk add ground work, and WT has a rather hyoooge partnership with escrima. the benefits? if you can't learn groundwork from your school, then get it elsewhere. it's fuggin necessary. WT not emphasizing weapons very much? add escrima, a rather dayum good way of working with weapons.

another problem your post brings up -- a lot of schools that say we don't need to add are implying that they aren't familiar with another style and, thus, have no clue what to do when they see it. and the more rules you have for your style, the fewer things you will be able to defend and the less likely you'll be able to adapt.

i don't mean to pick on TKD, but it's an easy example. how many people have seem a TKD vs. muay thai fight? every one that i have seen always ended one way -- muay thai guy either by kicks to the leg, or setup of a knockout by beating up someone's leg. the reason? TKD doesn't practice below the waist all that much.

that's a generalization, but the idea is simple -- even if you don't practice a certain aspect, at least be familiar with it so you're not caught off guard.

[rubthebuddha]

by the way, zimmers, what the funk is shadenfreud?

[ZIM]

by the way, zimmers, what the funk is shadenfreud? I probly spelled it wrong. German= getting a feeling of joy from the misfortune of others.

[African Tiger]

Order our video and maybe the ninja/kung fu future will recognize you in their lienage!!

Despite the spelling and grammatical errors, this statement is actually pretty "telling."

Telling everyone that these people are a best a bunch of charlatans...:rolleyes:

[Starchaser107]

Staaar !!!

this namat thing is Real ??? !!!!!! . you mean its not people trying to be cute. Some weird Al Yankovitch type satire.

It can't be real.
SK nearly got banned because he said they Suck???
This is insane.......

[Merryprankster]

I go to the WC forum occasionally, and try only to post about grappling, for the most part.

Here are my observations about the place:

The people on there with the most full contact experiences are all saying the same things with respect to how you go about making WC work in the real world. They all come from different lineages with different instructors and their solutions are awfully similar.

And yet they get dogged for "not doing real WC." Or my favorite "You need to practice more, obviously. If your WC was better you wouldn't have to adjust it."

I say that if you knew how to fight with what you know, you would recognize that drills are just drills designed to hone certain specific skills.

[Mr Punch]

Red5 is right about the WC forum.

But can I get banned for saying: Red5, you're still being a *****?

I've cross-trained for 13 years (compared to how many years, Red?), and stuck at a couple of arts long enough to get to a reasonable level, whilst testing them against other arts. Zim (since you weren't around for the start and subsequent couple of years give or take of Red's abuse of everybody on the WC board were you? - let me fill you in), Red's experience consists of telling everybody loudly that he and his sifu were the ultimate, and telling them where they went wrong. Including arguing with people who dared to suggest that WC didn't have all the answers. Then he about-faced (at least his u-turn meant the words coming out of his arse were clearer!) and still manages to be obnoxious to the people he was schooling.

The worst thing is, I agreed with a lot of what he said, as did a lot of people, just the way he said it was as though he was the only person who'd ever thought about it.

For pete's sake Red, get over your WC revelation (hell, just don't mention WC ever again!), get over yourself, and keep up the useful training. Then everyone can go back to agreeing with you.

And Zim: BTW, I think your statement about WC thinking they have it all when it's just part of a system is a little skewed. OK, most WCers think they have it all, but the distillation of another system can follow the KISS principles of training a couple of basic things, which is what made it work in the first place. Unfortunately, after 350 years, it's not so much evolving as mutating into a martial art system instead of a way of improving your fighting.



BOT: Namat appears to suck rather heavily.

SK is correct.

He should still be banned.

Odder should keep his eyes off the avatar.

She's mine.

Peace.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
After looking at that website, I think you should be given an award. I do see why the moderator would like to keep thread discussions constructive but that site was the silliest thing I had seen in a while. Are you telling me that they are not being satirical?

Man, it must really suck when even the Shaolin-Do practitioners think it's a joke! LOL.

As for the banning, Mods can't ban you - they can only recommend that an Admin does.

And yeah, of course Namat sucks. What are they gonna do? Ban us all?

[ZIM]

Mat-
Zim (since you weren't around for the start and subsequent couple of years give or take of Red's abuse of everybody on the WC board were you? - let me fill you in), Red's experience consists of telling everybody loudly that he and his sifu were the ultimate, and telling them where they went wrong. Including arguing with people who dared to suggest that WC didn't have all the answers. Then he about-faced (at least his u-turn meant the words coming out of his arse were clearer!) and still manages to be obnoxious to the people he was schooling. Not the start of it. There's a lot of ppl who tend to just read here without posting or getting involved and I was one of them. I did catch some of it and looked up more.
2+ thoughts on it: 1- he got ppl talking about techniques, even if it was trolling. Most of his threads seemed to go on for many pages. 2- You'll note he's obliquely admitting something about it here on this one. That takes guts. [& .5- R5A's observations or motivations may be characterized as 'rude' or 'primitive' or whatever, but they're honest, IMPO. His values have always been clear, even if I still have a couple questions about it all...]

And Zim: BTW, I think your statement about WC thinking they have it all when it's just part of a system is a little skewed. OK, most WCers think they have it all, but the distillation of another system can follow the KISS principles of training a couple of basic things, which is what made it work in the first place. Unfortunately, after 350 years, it's not so much evolving as mutating into a martial art system instead of a way of improving your fighting. Fair enough. We're drifting into the realm of belief and murky history with this. I could give the reasons for my position and you could give yours but it wouldn't solve anything. Besides, you're the expert in relation to me. ;)

[Brad]

You cannot join NAMAT by money, by ordering, or by asking. In order to join the ancient temple of NAMAT and to learn the powerful and devastating (top) secrets you must have a personality check from the Sifu Himseldf. Simply e-mail to the address of this on the page below, with subject NAMAT FOR LIFE and text asking about what you want to know and how to join. Sifu Nelson will then consider your application and possibly ask you a few questions about your nature before advising you if you are a success.
Has anyone ever tried this? :D

[rubthebuddha]

would probably be a bad idea. my gut tells me it's just a solicitation for addresses so porn sites can spam you up the wazoo.

(stacey, that's your cue)

i think a couple people are hitting on something very important about wing chun. sadly, i don't think any of them have ever done WC. :o

very much of WC is about concepts rather than techniques. continual pressure, filling games, going forward, centerline, etc. these concepts are not foreign to wing chun by any stretch, and, as my own sisok and sigung have proven to me on several occasions, they can use other style's techniques with wing chun concepts and still make me look bad. it's not about perfect technique, but application of concept.

merryprankster was dead on when brought up those who have used their stuff, yet get criticised. those people know it's more about proper application of concept rather than having your elbow in the perfect position. my elbow may be in perfect position, but if i'm not going forward, the opponent with less-refined technique who is applying pressure will hand me my ass. TKD techniques may not be ideal for use outside of the ring, but when my sisok uses them with wing chun concepts, i can't touch him, no matter how good my wing chun is, because he understand the concepts better than moi.

[Merryprankster]

I get super annoyed/entertained that the WC forum has these guys that are a great resource for them, who explain as best they can about how WC has helped them/what they've had to watch for, and people argue with them over their stance weighting or quibble about using this technique over that. Who gives a ****? If all these guys with full contact experience are saying basically the same thing, maybe it's worth a listen.

Utterly amazing.

[Ben Gash]

Rubthebuddha, I think that that's a problem throughought kung fu. As long as a move obeys the rules of the principle being expressed, and the body mechanics are OK, then as far as I'm concerned that's correct. However, a lot of people are really anally technocentric about having the exact same angle in their head tilt as grandmaster Hung Well.
Wing Chun does suffer greatly in this regard however because of the "scientific" approach to training in many WC schools, where they know a catalogue of techniques.
At the end of the day it's an art, and as such there must be room for individual expression.
BTW NAMAT sucks
And I preferred the brunette.

[red5angel]

For the record: I have not quit wingchun, I train it almost as much as I was when I decided to move on. I love the art, it's got some really sound principles and if done right works really well in most cases.
Also for the record, Mat, I am pretty much always a ***** ;) and I have been on this board for a few years now. There was a year stint where I was a "mouthpiece" for someone who couldn't do it himself and that is where the attitude came from.
There are a couple of people on that forum that make a lot of sense. Like MerryP pointed out, there are quite a few people form different lineages on that board who have had similar experiences and have some good advice. some others have some great information on the art itself, however most of them appear to be there for self gratification and apparently to appear to "know" something others don't.
As MerryP pointed out, any serious discussion over there is usually swamped by arguments over the small and isignificant things and by a few memebers who are too busy patting each other on the back for their percieved posession of wit then for their ability to help guide the younger wc crowd. There is apparently a low tolerance threshhold over there for anyone new who wants to ask questions.

Zim - nice thread, too bad the wing chun forum can't be like that.

Mat - I have been training wing chun for about 5 years now. Only cross training for about 6 months seriously now but the experience has been eye opening and so far here is what I have learned -

I need to keep training in order to get better
the level of skill in each opponent is the most important thing then body constitution.
No matter how easy it seems to be to pull something off (like using wingchun to stop a takedown) it often doesn't work as well as it seems it should.

[rubthebuddha]

gasher,

isn't just kung fu. ever see those cheeseball kempo schools with a perfect series of techniques to use against a single strike? "if he does this, then you do this, this, that, this, the other thing, than this."

it's when you get more into technique than concept that the bridge between form and application is lost. sparring last week in class illustrates this: i have a **** pretty tan sau -- fits all those criteria for a pretty tan sau. but was it working for me? nah. i was getting clocked left, right and center because i wasn't applying it worth poop. but my bong sau, while not the prettiest bong sau that's ever walked the planet, was dandy, and not a soul was able to get past it (except sisok, of course). my bong sau was en fuego.

why? because my tan sau would just sit there and marvel at itself, but had no forward energy and no spring to it, while my bong sau was always one hair away from cutting into someone's neck, or already there -- the bugger simply wanted to work and didn't care about being pretty.


and you're **** right -- brunettes are just better in general.

[GeneChing]

The Wing Chun Forum has been particularly combative lately. Frankly, it all got out of hand. We had to take some aggressive measures to bring it back to some level of civility, including banning several members and instigating a general warning that any trangressors of our etiquette rules will be banned.

sk - To put it bluntly, you stepped on a land mine in a war zone. Should you get banned for that? Probably not. FWIW, banning means I click a pull-down menu in the admin - it's a simple operation and can be reversed quite easily. However if you ask me if you should get warned - definately. Most people like to know when their walking in a mine field. And a warning is not a banning. So please don't take offense. It's just fighters being fighters and you got a little blood splattered on you. It'll wash off.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by Serpent


Man, it must really suck when even the Shaolin-Do practitioners think it's a joke! LOL.



:D

[Merryprankster]

fighters being fighters

Calling the WC forum "fighters being fighters" is like calling the Nation of Islam "Honkies being honkies."

[red5angel]

come on MerryP, you know those guys are the REAL DEAL!!! They could stop you from any takedown you could throw at them!!!!

[Merryprankster]

Some of them probably are the real deal. KenWingJitsu, Anerlich and Rene Ritchie come immediately to mind. A lot of them aren't.

[red5angel]

I think my list is about as long as yours...

[shaolin kungfu]

To put it bluntly, you stepped on a land mine in a war zone. Should you get banned for that? Probably not. FWIW, banning means I click a pull-down menu in the admin - it's a simple operation and can be reversed quite easily. However if you ask me if you should get warned - definately. Most people like to know when their walking in a mine field. And a warning is not a banning. So please don't take offense. It's just fighters being fighters and you got a little blood splattered on you. It'll wash off.

I was under the impression that moderators could ban. I wasn't really that offended, just kind of suprised that it would be something that serious. I already said that i appreciate the warning.

[GeneChing]

Technically moderators cannot ban. But they can tell me to ban someone, and I will heed their advice.

[Water Dragon]

I advise you to ban the Kung Lek. And technically, I am a moderator. Just not here.

[Ben Gash]

Yeah, I'm a moderator on another forum too. I say ban that Gene Ching guy. He carries on like he runs the place or something ;)

[rubthebuddha]

Originally posted by Merryprankster
Calling the WC forum "fighters being fighters" is like calling the Nation of Islam "Honkies being honkies."

nominee for post of the year, right here.

[Chang Style Novice]

NAMAT....wieeeeeerd...

"Thom Nelson will tear through the challengers like Mighty Aragorn slaying a deformed, Orc-Like Chuck Lidell, or Tito, or whoever (orc)." (http://www.geocities.com/namatkungfu/tito.htm)

[rubthebuddha]

fair enough. he sounds like one tough hombre. :D

now i ask you, why the hell is a picture of who i think is the undertaker on that page? is NAMAT buying off vince mcmahon or something? :confused:

inquiring minds want to know.

[David Jamieson]

YOU SHNALL NOT PASS

ok, that was wierd. I can barely understand what that page is about. who are those people's pictures all over the page? And how are they related to this guy calling out Tito?

And where is that namat guys pics? I would like to see some pics at that sight that show more than just running around in the bushes after dark playing cowboys and indians.

somebody get that guy a publicist! :D

end of wierd observation

cheers

WD: quit whining :D

[Chang Style Novice]

who are those people's pictures all over the page?

I recognize Jackie Chan second from the bottom.

And how are they related to this guy calling out Tito?


I have no idea.

[rubthebuddha]

Originally posted by Kung Lek
And how are they related to this guy calling out Tito?
the relation is the exact same relation this guy has to martial arts:

none. :rolleyes:

no idea who the boxer is.

guy in black and bandana is the mark callaway (he starting kindie next yer), a pro wrestler of reasonable fame.

jackie chan is below that.

not sure who the last guy is, but he puts the same fear in me as donny osmond. ;)

[shaolin kungfu]

The guy in the bottom picture looks like Joe Rogan(sp), of News Radio and Fear factor.

[Unstoppable]

HEY GUYS YA ITS JOE ROGAN THE UFC COMMENTATER DUDE I THINK ITS COS ITS ABT UFC AND STUFF I DONT NO ILL ASK SIFU

i dint even SEE this thread til now so SORRY about the slow resp.

i no a lot of u think my school is dum most of u already said it BUT I DONT CARE i train there and I LIKE IT and u CANT ALWAYS JUDGE A BOOK BY THE BLURB

i just want u guys to leave my school alone sure if u want to CONSTRUCTIVE CTIRICISE A TECHNIX THAN DO SO but if u dont have ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ADD PLS DONT BOTHER

as for WING CHUN forum i dint report anyone to anyone if u nearly got banned its nothign to do with me

but maybe if U just SAID WHAT U THINK IS WRONG WITH THE TECHNIX OR DESCRIBE WHAT U THINK IS WRONG OF MY KWOON instead of just going "O NO ITS DIFFERENT IT MUST BE WRONG" than u would not have nearly got banned.

ya, anyway, just my 2c.

NOW GO TRAIN KUNG FU! :(

[Chang Style Novice]

Well, regardless, the web site's a mess, and so are your posts. They're messes in very similar ways, actually...

[rubthebuddha]

please don't tell me this is far east fighting arts all over again :(

[Unstoppable]

yo MOMMAS a mess chang

rubthebuddha what does THAT MEAN?

[Chang Style Novice]

Brilliant retort:

Let me make it real clear then.

NAMAT's site looks like it was done by someone with no clue about proper spelling, grammar, design, citation, or martial arts. It's funny in the same way that realultimatepower.com is. Therefore, I think it's a joke, and it was made to look deliberately incompetent. Since you post in the exact same style as the website is written, I think you're a troll. In fact, I think you're someone who is on this forum posting seriously trolling on a lark.

I think, Unstoppable, that you don't exist and neither does NAMAT.

[Becca]

Since you post in the exact same style as the website is written, I think you're a troll.

Does not post the same way!:mad: The web site usues punctuation and puts uppercase in the right places.;)

[Chang Style Novice]

So it's you, Becca!:p

[Becca]

Nope. Don't think I could spell that bad even if I tried.:D

Unstopable- We are not out to get you. This is just one of the joys of the KFO chatboards. At one time I was supposedly a "spotty-faced 14-year-old boy". Just laugh it off and try to get a few zingers in yourself.:D

[Unstoppable]

Becca is right it is a different my sifu does the words and one of ym sihings do all the pics

Chang u r a freakin idiot if U say that SOMEONE AND ANOTHER THING IN FRONT OF UR EYES DOES NOT EXIST

u r seriusly crazy

becca LOL i no most ppl on here r just give me a hard time becos im new but this Chang guy says I DONT EXIST LOL WTF???????

[chen zhen]

unstoppable.. you never saw The Matrix?:D

[rubthebuddha]

Originally posted by Unstoppable
Chang u r a freakin idiot if U say that SOMEONE AND ANOTHER THING IN FRONT OF UR EYES DOES NOT EXIST

u r seriusly crazy

becca LOL i no most ppl on here r just give me a hard time becos im new but this Chang guy says I DONT EXIST LOL WTF??????? sweet, merciful crap! my journalism advisor at my university told me i would see things like this in the real world, but i thought it was a myth. :(

[Chang Style Novice]

Sorry, rub, but it's true. The combination of fetal alcohol syndrome and pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe.

[Unstoppable]

HAHA maybe that what he means

I AM AGENT SMITH LOOK OUT CHANG STYLE NOVIC

[MasterKiller]

pathetically inadequate public education is commoner

Do tell.

Pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe; even more common than, say, inadequately using comparative adjectives.

[Chang Style Novice]

MK - Oh, so you wanna get punked, too, huh?! (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=commoner):p

edit - I'll admit "commoner" is a sort of archaic, hoity-toity usage.

[rubthebuddha]

it gets worse ...

tense deals only qualitatively with when or for long long a verb implies action. examples of tense are present, composed past, infinitive, etc.

commoner vs. more common deals with a contrast in which two items are ranked according to a specified value (commonality) rather than an issue of time or duration.

[Becca]

Originally posted by Unstoppable
becca LOL i no most ppl on here r just give me a hard time becos im new but this Chang guy says I DONT EXIST LOL WTF???????

No. They are picking one you 'cause your typing and spelling are atrocious. And that's actually about all Chang Style Novice is saying, too. Well, that and he finds your Kwoon's web site amusing...:p

[Chang Style Novice]

There's actually a bit more too it than that. As I said upthread, I think it's soooooo bad that it can't be an accident (my cruel wisecracks notwithstanding.) I think it's a way of attracting attention. Same thing for the badness of the NAMAT website.

Once again, I figure Unstoppable is a pseud for someone else here, and NAMAT is a joke along the lines of realultimatepower.com or ninjaburger.

[rubthebuddha]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
Pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe; even more common than, say, inadequately using comparative adjectives.
sorry, masterk, but it is still incorrect even after the fix. comparing requires a point of like reference. by saying "more common," the term "more" seeks to establish a distinction between two levels of commonality -- a contrast.

dang, i'm an ******* when i'm in editing mode. :o

[rubthebuddha]

chang style -- that namat site has been around for some time. while it may or may not be intentional rubbish (but rubbish either way), i think it's a lark for the person.

[Chang Style Novice]

rub

There are two levels of commonality established in my statement

1 - the real world.

2 - what people would like.

"The combination of fetal alcohol syndrome and pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe."

has the same grammatical construction as

"Dogs are commoner (or more common, if you prefer) than elephants."

Hmmm...no, wait, it doesn't. It has a relative clause, but no noun.

"The combination of fetal alcohol syndrome and pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe it is."

That better?

[Becca]

"The combination of fetal alcohol syndrome and pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe it is."

Sorry, rub, but it's true. The combination of fetal alcohol syndrome and pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe.

Nope, you fixed the wrong part. "It is" is actually a noun/verb qualifier for "combination" and doesn't address "commoner" at all.

And you do have a point about the deliberate feel to the misspelling. ;)

[rubthebuddha]

chang style -- i don't think i criticized your sentence. i was being a ******* toward masterkiller. i actually like your original sentence better, as the "it is" at the end of the second sentence is unnecessary.

and the sentence "dogs are commoner (more common) than elephants" is proper. all a non-imperative sentence requires is a subject and a verb. dogs = subject/are = verb. commoner sets the stage as for a contrast, and than elephants completes it.

i would like to extend to you the golden horsefly -- an award for your usage of "is" in the following sentence:

"The combination of fetal alcohol syndrome and pathetically inadequate public education is commoner than anyone would like to believe."

[Chang Style Novice]

Um, thanks, I think.

I usually consider myself to be a pretty decent writer in my own little way, and I worry when my work draws the negative attention of editors. Not that editors are bad - they're absolutely neccesary. Even so, I strive to write in such a way that requires as little editing as possible.


For example, I hate seeing where I used "too" instead of "to" in a post earlier on this thread.
:p

[rubthebuddha]

welcome buddy. the golden horsefly was chosen since the only golden award not spoken for was the golden shower, and awarding you one of those would get me in trouble with the authorities in at least one of our states.

your writing is solid -- i'd guess all that reading you do helps. as far as that errant "too" -- fret not. an occasional and acknowledged error is fine. being an absolute dimwit when it comes to your native language is not.

[MasterKiller]

sorry, masterk, but it is still incorrect even after the fix. comparing requires a point of like reference. by saying "more common," the term "more" seeks to establish a distinction between two levels of commonality -- a contrast.

D@mn my literature degree. I should have paid more attention in advanced grammar class.

But that's why I'm a writer, not an editor.

[rubthebuddha]

pretty darn close, mk. besides, we're useless without each other. without writers, i'd have nothing to edit, and without editors, no one could make sense of the prose. :p

i can write a wee bit, but nothing more than short stories. beyond that, my desire to just be done with the **** thing takes over.

[Chang Style Novice]

It's so nice when off-topic arguments erupt and they're about grammar instead of politics, ain't it?

[rubthebuddha]

it's our way of satiating desires for verbal conflict without inviting the ire of gene and kung lek. ;)

besides, mk and i have a little code going on here. for example, anytime i say "noun," it means "gw is a commie pinko," and anytime he says "verb," it means "death to those who oppose me."

capisce?

[Chang Style Novice]

Si, bene. Io capito.

[MasterKiller]

VERB!! VERB!! VERB!!

[Chang Style Novice]

I was once asked me if I were a part of speech which one would I be? I said I'd be a prefix, 'cause I'm always startin' sh!t I just can't finish.

[MasterKiller]

I didn't have any clean underwear this morning, so today I would be a dangling modifier.

[rubthebuddha]

i guess i'm a gerund, because today, i'm all about the hatin'.