Australian Black Dragon Ninja releasing its first book December

[Danny Sainty]

Here is a brief overview of the chapters.
Let me know what you think.
Chapter #1 Philosophy of Kokuryu, mission of the ninja, reaction/survival principle, , prince peasant warrior principle,

Chapter #2 Meditation/chi development, kuji, Mind/body control, 5 elemental breathing exercises, natural forms of chi kung

Chapter#3 Diet and Lifestyle

Chapter #4 Evasion , evasion steps,

Chapter #5 Body science, Angles, triangulation, balance, using your weight, striking and manipulation,

Chapter #6 Tactics

Chapter #7 Red bedroom.

[fiercest tiger]

who is the doing the book? what teacher is in it?

come & visit us!
http://home.iprimus.com.au/ykm
yaukungmun@hotmail.com

[Danny Sainty]

It will be Written by myself(3rd dan) and Sensei Whitecombe(1st dan), Ashida Kims representitives in Australia.

[jimmy23]

DO you cover astral spying in your book?


"You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting"
Spinning Backfist

[Wongsifu]

are you an astral spy ? or just a student ?

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

[Danny Sainty]

*chuckles*
The book will cover astral spying in a way.
And WongSifu, as an Astral Spy I cannot tell you that I am one...oh wait...darn!

[jimmy23]

If i was an astral spy i would spy on womens dressing rooms.


"You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting"
Spinning Backfist

[Danny Sainty]

We dont need to spy on womens dressing rooms, see chapter on red bedroom, art of seduction.

[jimmy23]

Ninjutsu is looking more and more alluring...


"You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting"
Spinning Backfist

[origenx]

Title of book and author?

[Rolling Elbow]

you cover how fraudulent your whole group is...what can you and a first dan possibly teach others anyway? Who at that level has knowledge enough to write a book when Ashida himself comes no where close to having the knowledge that any real "ninjutsu" practicioners have?

Here is a thought...lose the black dragon society and join a real nunjutsu school. Take your pick..Bujinkan is the source, Jinenkan and genbukan follow.

Shodan and 3rd dan writing a book...ridiculous. Perhaps more so than the astral spy himself!

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[JWTAYLOR]

This has GOT to be a troll.

No one, not even Rolls, is stupid enough to admit they are an Ashida Kim a$$ tool.

And if they were stupid enough to admit it, they would likely be far too dumb to be literate enough to write a book about it anyway.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[Danny Sainty]

Rolling elbow, the amount of training done to get a shodan in our art is around the same to get a godan in yours.
What the Xkans teach is hardly effective in OUR eyes, or ninjutsu.
We have proven our system many many times and are willing to do so again should any request.

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

Hey, since you're in Australia, can you tell me why Ashida Kim lists Erle Montaigue as an affiliate dojo on this (http://www.ashidakim.com/directory.html) page?

Erle is not associated with Ashida, for the record.

Each time I ask, Ashida either removes my post or makes up an answer. One time he told me I don't know how to spell Erle's name, so how could I be right? What a tool! At the time Ashida had misspelled Erle's name on his page. The error was not mine.

Why does Ashida use chinese names for the kuji and other things? Ninjutsu is not Chinese (contrary to what Ashida believes).

But hey, if you're publishing through that shi++y company Dojo Press then you suck anyway.

What the Xkans teach is hardly effective in OUR eyes, or ninjutsu.

ßull****! Does Ashida teach you to lie, too? On his site, Ashida has stated numerous times that he both respects Bunjinkan and that their techniques are still effective, just different.

We have proven our system many many times and are willing to do so again should any request.

You have not done so once, and will never do so. Your supposed outlet is the $10,000 Challenge (http://www.ashidakim.com/10k.html), but that has loopholes which allow Ashida to never have to fight (see my post about the $10,000 challenge).

I Hate Ashida Kim

[Danny Sainty]

Mr Montaigue is on our age as we respect what he is doing.
Ninjutsu is in many ways more a chinese art then a japanese one. (much the same as kosho ryu kempo, our two arts are very similar as well, possibly due to the Fujita/Mitose connection)
I am not talking about Ashida thinking the Xkans effective or not, I cannot speak for him, but I CAN speak for us.
Sensei Whitecombe and myself accept any and all challangers.

[jimmy23]

I will destroy you in beer drinking, your ninja tricks wont help you there!


"You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting"
Spinning Backfist

[Danny Sainty]

I dont drink. But if I did, I would outdrink you!

[joedoe]

I may have asked you this before but where are you guys based?

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You're fu(king up my chi

[Danny Sainty]

At the moment I am in Cessnock, most classes are run by private lessons and the students will travel from Sydney or Newcastle.
Towards the end of the year I may be going to the US for a while to train futher, in that case Duncan will be taking over, and shall be setting up in Caines by Febuary, at the moment we are both based in Cessnock however.

[joedoe]

Cool. Thanks. :)

Do you get many students travelling to study with you?

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You're fu(king up my chi

[zen_celt]

Have you ever studied any arts other than Ashida Kim's? If so, which ones, under who, and what rank did you attain? I am not trying to be nosey, but I would like some background on your MA experience if you don't mind. Also, what made you decide to study AK's system?

I have read Ashida Kim's first book(the one that everybody stole) and I have also read most of his webpage. If I am correct, he studied under the infamous Count Dante(I say infamous because of his involvement in the dojo wars way back when). Could somebody please give me more info on this guy?

Danny, while I don't necessarily mean this to reflect on you, and keeping in mind that this is my opinion(being based on AK's book, and website since I've never met him) I think part of Ashida's problem is that he comes off as exceedingly petty and juvenile. He speaks about the ways the ninja should act and then he does the opposite. He won't let the book deal go, and he demands $10000+ to test his style in combat. To me, none of this adds to his credibility.

Just the same, I would like to hear more about you, AK, and Ct. Dante. Thanks.
-ZC

"The thorn *****s only those who would harm the rose.

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

If you've studied under Ashida Kim, then surely you can answer for us the age old question, "is Ashida Kim really the same person as Christopher Hunter???

Mr Montaigue is on our age as we respect what he is doing.

Mr. Montaigue, as far as I know, does not wish to be associated with you.

Ninjutsu is in many ways more a chinese art then a japanese one. (much the same as kosho ryu kempo, our two arts are very similar as well, possibly due to the Fujita/Mitose connection)

I can also ramble my way out of a question I can't answer. Good job.

I am not talking about Ashida thinking the Xkans effective or not, I cannot speak for him, but I CAN speak for us.

So, you teach the same crapp he teaches, but you have different opinions of what is effective? Alrighty then...

Sensei Whitecombe and myself accept any and all challangers.

Would it cost $10,000? Haha.

I Hate Ashida Kim

[dedalus]

Apparently nobody here has read *Foucault's Pendulum* by Umberto Eco...

or *The Crying of Lot 49* by Pynchon...

or, indeed, *The Complete Idiot's Guide to Being Same*...


-- Don't Ever Antagonise The Dragon --

[Danny Sainty]

ANandit,
Still quite small here in Aus as we have not been teaching very long.
We run around three, four classes a week in private lessons, mainly bujikan converts.
Zen Celt, I was onto the second form of wing chun (under a Baryy Lee student)have also dabled in hapkido, teakwondo, bujikan, boxing and kosho ryu kempo.
Duncan has done 13 years kosho ryu kempo on and of, I do believe he started out in freestyle karate however.
And to the last person,
We have recieved no complaints from Montaigue.
I answered your question, not my fault if you cannot read it.
What we teach is not crap, drop me your address and I will show you next time I am in the US. Yes, many people have differant opinions.
No, it will not cost $10, 000.

[joedoe]

If I happen to be up your way I might pop in and say hello :)

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You're fu(king up my chi

[Danny Sainty]

Sure thing ABandit, going on holidays till November however, after then would be nice to meet you though and beat each other up then grab some lunch.
Where abouts in Sydney are you? I might pop in to see you next time I go up there and tag Duncan along :)
Sometime in November perhaps?
You may have heard Ashida canceled on us on coming down to the camp, but a few of us are still going to get some fun out of it, perhaps you would like to come along and we can share notes and take a look at each others sytem.

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

I answered your question, not my fault if you cannot read it.


****You!! You talk like ****in No_Know! No one understands either of you. Let me quote what you said in case you forgot:

Ninjutsu is in many ways more a chinese art then a japanese one.(Ok, that much makes sense. It was a proper sentense) (much the same as kosho ryu kempo, our two arts are very similar as well, possibly due to the Fujita/Mitose connection). Yep. Not only was that not related, but it didn't even make sense.


but you didn't answer another question:

If you've studied under Ashida Kim, then surely you can answer for us the age old question, "is Ashida Kim really the same person as Christopher Hunter???

I will take your avoidance of the question as a "yes," or at least a "let me have time to think of an excuse because I've been brainwashed by Ashida/Christopher..."

I Hate Ashida Kim

[Danny Sainty]

**** me?

(much the same as kosho ryu kempo, our two arts are very similar as well, possibly due to the Fujita/Mitose connection). Yep. Not only was that not related, but it didn't even make sense.

That is saying, kosho is much like us, in that it is in many ways more a chinese art, then a japanese one. Both the system are based on evasion and using your body correctly. This is most likely due to the Fujita and Mitose connection.

If Ashida wished you to know his real name, I am sure he would write to you and tell you himself.

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

Man are we on at the same time?

If Ashida wished you to know his real name, I am sure he would write to you and tell you himself.

Hahaha! You just admitted that Ashida is not his real name. This is nothing new, I'm just glad I got confirmation from an inside source. Thank you.

I Hate Ashida Kim

--Show me one Ashida Kim, and I'll show you one fake ninja

[Danny Sainty]

Yes, inside imformation is released, Ashida is not his real name.
This has never been a secret.

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

Oh boy, he has never, ever, once admitted to Ashida not being his real name.

This has never been a secret.

True, because everyone knew it. Just no one had confirmed it before. Thanks.

Listen man, I'm sorry for being such an ass to you. I really don't like Ashida, but you probably an honest martial artist, and I don't know any details about your relationship with Ashida, so it was pretty rude of me to talk smack about you. Still, you must admit Ashida is shady.

But it all comes down to my bottom line. I could care less if Ashida is a good fighter or not. I don't even care if he's a good martial artist. The fact of the matter is, he misrepresents what he does. If he was exactly the same, and didn't call it ninjitsu (ninjutsu), I would have no problem with the guy.

So, since Ashida isn't his real name, can you tell me why he picked a Japanese first name and a Korean last name? Last time I asked him about this (4 years ago, anonymously, on his message board), he said "There are many males named Kim." That answer wasn't even relevant. Ashida is a con artist, who will evade and avoid threatening questions. The only people he fools with his stupid answers are the high schoolers who follow him, which brings me to my next point.

When I was in middle school, I bought one of his books because I thought it was legit. Shortly after I started piecing things together and found out what a fake and a liar he was. Oh well.

I Hate Ashida Kim

"If Ashida wished you to know his real name, I am sure he would write to you and tell you himself." --Danny Sainty

[Danny Sainty]

Not a problem.
Ashida is a name he picked up from Shotokan tournaments in his early days.

[dedalus]

Maybe Mr Montaigue shares Mr Kim's sense of humour...

Maybe Mr Montaigue knows nothing about him...

I think he's probably just got better things to do than give a ****.

[dedalus]

From www.ashidakim.com/history.html (http://www.ashidakim.com/history.html) : an account of the famous Grandmaster!

"Count Dante was a strikingly handsome man who looked more like a movie star than a Karate Master. He frequently appeared on such National Radio and Television programs as "To Tell the Truth", Midwest Sport Spectacular, and the CBS Sports Special. He also appeared in the August 1964 Issue of Black Belt magazine who referred to him as "one of the top instructors in the world today." He demonstrated his skills at the 1965 World's Fair and at the United Nations. In 1957, Count Dante served as a Mercenary Guerrilla Army Officer in the Sierra Maestra Mountains of Eastern Cuba, and as a Military Advisor in Havana Cuba during the urban campaigns between Fidel Castro and Fulgencio Batista.

Aside from his fascination and exceptional skill in the Fighting Arts, Count Dante was a devotee of Classical Singing and a Famous Hair Stylist, who created the natural seductive hair style of many top Chicago models and Playboy Bunnies."

Now who wouldn't be amused?
:p

[dedalus]

http://ashidakim.com/dojopress/catalogbk41.htm

Who could compete?

[Wongsifu]

seriously danny ... does ashida do a lot of it just for the fun of it ? you know all the im a 20th century ninja superhero, and like to take the **** out of people .
or is he really sick in the head and believe the astral spies business and that count dante once killed an elephant with his bear hands stuff?

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

[Crimson Phoenix]

Killing an elephant barehanded?? hahahahahhaha You have to be like 9 feet tall to reach its forehead!!
I saw a documentary with three young male lions getting after a young elephant...they couldn't even plunge their claw in the skin...the guy that was commenting said he only once saw a lion kill an elephant: the lion bit his trump and cut it off...the elephant died several days later because he couldn't eat anymore, but not from the lion's attack....
Hahahah if lions are intelligent enough to know they can't kill elephants, how could count Dante do it?? shhheeeeeesss...

[Rolling Elbow]

I suspect our Black Dragon Enthusiast has listened to Ashida one times too many... A shodan in the black dragon society is a GODAN in the Bujinkan? Yikes... granted there are allot of crappy godans, I fail to see where Ashida's mix of kung fu and *******ized hapkido would constitute a "real ninjutsu".

P.S- Here's a news flash...train an individual in any art and teach him stealth techniques..then dress him up in black- presto! a "ninja" is born. There is no way to prove that "ninjutsu" is solely chinese in essence.

You and your organization are a joke. Count Dante was a fraud.... along the lines of Steve "nasty" Anderson and Billy Blanks.

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[Danny Sainty]

Rolling elbow, I am sure any of our shodans would be more then happy to play with any of your godans.
Granted we dont see eye to eye one what exactly is ninjutsu, or effective, but must we get down to comments such as these?:

"You and your organization are a joke. Count Dante was a fraud.... along the lines of Steve "nasty" Anderson and Billy Blanks."

Count Dante has little to do with Kokuryu ninjutsu, Ashida trained with him, Ashida had also trained shotokan etc, but what does that have to do with Kokuryu???

You refer to me as a joke, yet you have never conversed with me nor met me. If you feel the need to spread such about me, please speak with me first, or better yet actually train with me.
I am willing to show you just how effective our art is. People never dare say such things when they are face to face....funny.

[Rolling Elbow]

I thought Ashida claimed Koga ryu lineage? Furthermore, how will i ever meet any of your people as I live in Canada?

Would you be so kind as to offer us some video footage of you and your people in aciton please? The shodans will do as they are Godan level in any other system...I would love to see this "movement" you speak of as well as the reasons why the Bujinkan is outdated...outdated only because there is soo much to learn and not enough intelligence to be able to pick up what is actually being taught.

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[JWTAYLOR]

Danny, are there any Ashida Kim instructors that teach here in the U.S.?

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[Danny Sainty]

I shall be travelling to Canada within the next 14 months more then likely, have a few friends with ju jutsu schools up there.
As I only have a $50 web cam, any video footage would have to be done with that, and that means doing everything in slow motion just about.
I did not say that the bujinkan was outdated, they just seem to hand out those dans fast enough!
Also I see a lot of wasted movement within the system (I do that with every sytem not mine, dont mind me)
My email address is : Guildmaster71@hotmail.com should you wish to speak in private.

[Danny Sainty]

JWT,
There are a few of them around, I have not trained with most of them though so could not comment on the level of thier skill, drop me an email and I will put you in contact with a few if I can.

[JWTAYLOR]

Just email you,
Thanks,
JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[Grappling-Insanity]

Danny where are you coming to in Canada??? bring some1 who's below 140 and I'll show you some shiznit (i'm 125 so i'm not looking to fight some monster).

[Danny Sainty]

Were am I coming to Canada?
Around Quebec, but might travel around a bit :)
I am 6'4 and 187 pounds. Is that acceptable?

[gazza99]

Ive looked at Ashidas forum and he does nothing but threaten and swear at people who ask legitimate questions. I remember one post when the poster appeared very sincere in his question, and was not rude to Ashida/Chris in any way at all. Ashidas replies were extremely Vulgur and he did not even touch on the question asked, this is not the sign of a Master of any art.
Also why the need for him not to use his real name? Is he that terribly fraudulent he cannot even offer up his identity?
I will make no judgements about his martial skill until I meet him or one of his instructors, so if your ever in Oklahoma or the surrounding area drop me an email or something, and we can do some training.
Regards,
Gary

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[Jaguar Wong]

Grappling-Insanity:
You're 125!?!? :eek: Is that kilos or pounds? Man you should stop by Vegas some time, I'll bring you 'round to all the buffets here. You'll be breaking the 150 mark in no time (which is still small) ;)

BTW, I used to weigh 150, and I lost all my striking power (I'm a not so svelt 200+ now - some of it's muscle, I swear!). One of the guys we train with weights 145, and (although he punches like a 180 pounder) he doesn't like to close into grappling range anymore. He used to be a much better rassler, but he lost weight, and I learned some crap :)


Ninjas rule! I just watched Pray for Death yesterday, and I'm gonna write a book as well soon. (no offense Rolling Elbow, I'm claiming the Flying Tonkatsu clan for now...I have no ties to the Bujinkan, nor to Koga Ryu).

Jaguar Wong

[Danny Sainty]

Gary, one of our instructors is in Oklahoma... so I am sure I will be meeting you one day!
We can knock each other about (or shoudl I say I can knock you about with my astral spies!!!) then have coffee and a dainish :)

[gazza99]

Cool Danny, that would be great, but until then could you please give me an email or phone number of the instructor here in Oklahoma? We could get together and do some training! My phone number is on my contact page on my website addy below.
Good martial artists are a rare find in this state, hopefully your guy has some good info to exchange?
Regards,
Gary

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[Danny Sainty]

I will ask his permission to give you his email address. Have not trained with this guy, spoken with him via email a lot (his grammar is shocking but dont tell him I said that!) But he truly is a nice guy!
Will get back to you as soon as I get his reply!

[gazza99]

Excellent, thanks Danny, perhaps ask him for his phone number as well, that is a bit easier than email to arrange something.
I am in Oklahoma, so bad grammer is as easy to find as a street walker in Kings Cross!
Regards,
Gary

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[Grappling-Insanity]

Well yah... but its a pure 125lbs of azz kicking ability!! :eek: , like I said I'll fight any Ashida Kim ninja thats 140lbs or lower. Hell make it 160, it doesnt matter I'll still smack him up.

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

Ashida claims that his master was "Shendai." Yeah, there's a reliable claim. "Hey everyone, my master goes by a secret Martial Arts name because he is such a secret master. I can't tell you who he is, but I can tell you his secret code name. Then I'll feel all secretive!"

Right.

Why is it when you ask a question to someone in Ashida's line, they challenge you back?

And to answer the question, yes, Ashida DOES claim koga lineage.

Wanna see something else funny? Check out Genbukan.net (http://www.genbukan.net/), looks strangely familiar, doesn't it? Ashida said he did this based on the idea one of his students who was also Genbukan had, to promote relations between the two (or some other ßull**** reason he made up).

In case you were wondering who owns genbukan.net and ashidakim.com, well, I will show you. (I realize this has been posted before, but it's all good info)

(from betterwhois.com)
Registrant:
Black Dragon Fighting Society (ASHIDAKIM-DOM)
c/o The DOJO P.O. Box 209
Lake Alfred, FL 33850-0209
US

Domain Name: ASHIDAKIM.COM

Administrative Contact:
Administrator (POYQGHOZIO) DOJOPRESS@AOL.COM
DOJO Press
P.O. Box 209
Lake Alfred , FL 33850-0209
US
(941) 956-3614
Technical Contact:
Link, Jay (JL1402) root@INTERLINK-BBS.COM
InterLink BBS
P.O. Box 2757
Springfield, IL 62708-2757
(217) 753-2471
Billing Contact:
Hunter, Christopher (CH10667) thedojo@ASHIDAKIM.COM
Black Dragon Fighting Society
c/o The DOJO P.O. Box 209
Lake Alfred , FL 33850-0209
(941) 956-3614



Where will we go next?

I think Christopher Hunter took his name off the registrant section, in other words, I think it used to be there, but I'm not sure.

I Hate Ashida Kim

"If Ashida wished you to know his real name, I am sure he would write to you and tell you himself." --Danny Sainty

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

Ashida is a name he picked up from Shotokan tournaments in his early days.

ßULL****

Next are you going to try to tell me that "Ashida" means "big foot?" Come on!

Wait, wait, ok, let's pretend for a sec that that is true.

In that case, where the ƒuck did the last name "Kim" come from? Was he given that at a TaeKwonDo tournament "in his early days?"

I Hate Ashida Kim

"If Ashida wished you to know his real name, I am sure he would write to you and tell you himself." --Danny Sainty

[Rolling Elbow]

It is no secret that ranks are often acquired quite easily in the Bujinkan..i merely chose to think of the godans as those that actually deserved it.

As for your trip to Canada, i shall email you in private because all things aside, I am somewhat worried that Ashida is not quite mentally stable..if you can assure me that you won't snap my neck (as i do not possess the years experience you have in the martial arts) for fun and are willing to show me why the principles as taught by your organization are that good, then I will meet you with an open mind and with luck, perhaps see some of what you guys do. The only reason I am usually soo offended is that previous black dragon society members always seem to avoid displaying what they have to offer and make ludacrous statements all across the board..

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[Danny Sainty]

Hmm...I dont think we have any students under 180 Grappling Insanity!! I shall look into it though. I could get down to 170 if I tried really hard perhaps...

"I hate Ashida Kim" I have given you your answers and you keep on dragging the same things up over and over.

[Danny Sainty]

Rolling Elbow,
I am more then happy to tell people of our techiniques, philosophy, do videos etc for anyone who asks etc (as long as you do the same for me, HA!)just drop me an email.

[Eric Larson]

Look, Ashida and I get along, but a lot of his followers I feel are jokes. You are not doing anything to help Ashida's cause in trying to bring unity between the Black Dragon Ninja Society and the Bujinkan. He has been trying to make peace, yet people like you, who try and slam the Bujinkan, make it look bad on your whole organization.

Now, on to your claims:

"ninjutsu is more Chinese then Japanese"

where did you hear that nonsense? Ninjutsu, composed of Nin (Patience, endurance, stealth, forbearance) and Jutsu (Technique or tactic) which are clearly Japanese words. The Chinese helped teach Japan their Budo, but Budo is Budo. The Chinese learned their martial arts from Egypt and India, so does that make their Kung Fu Indian or Egyption? No, they are Chinese martial arts. Ninjutsu is a Japanese martial art, plain and simple. Now, on to more of your claims:

"we will be more than happy to put one of our shodan against one of your godan"

oooo, I like this one. Name a place and a time and I will will face any of you. You think you know about the Bujinkan, yet you don't even know how to spell our organizatiosn name (bujikan). From looking at videos and pictures, you think you know the whole scoop son? Well Danny, when you want to face me, let me know and I will show you what true ninjutsu is.

Eric Larson
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu

[JWTAYLOR]

I would also appreciate the Oklahoma instructor's information. I'm in Austin, but I go to Tulsa every year to see Tom Kelly at his camp and I can surely stop over and see your guy while I'm at it.

You've got my email.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[gazza99]

Eric,
You say that you get along with Ashida/Chris? Have you met in person? If so can you tell us what he is like as far as skill/personality, etc?
Gary

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[Aramus]

The Chinese helped teach Japan their Budo, but Budo is Budo. The Chinese learned their martial arts from Egypt and India, so does that make their Kung Fu Indian or Egyption? No, they are Chinese martial arts. Ninjutsu is a Japanese martial art, plain and simple. Now, on to more of your claims:

Wow! What troll crack are you smoking? What proof do you have? None of course, I don't mean for you to answer the question...you don't know the answer.

I had a friend who used a strange two-handed striking technique that would work with tomahawks or empty hands. I showed it to a friend he said it was a technique taught to delta force/special forces by Fred Savage. I showed another friend, he called it dropping the axe. Where did this technique come from? China, Japan, you, me? A punch is a punch. If you read a little you will find that martial arts were influenced by people of the native land who adapted it to their ways and from conquerors. Alexander the great did what? The romans went how far. India may have taught people in china some art, but it was definately changed from their.


"Ignorance is bliss" but you are having way too much fun.

To Danny, way to make a stand. You are the man. To a few other, lay off. Jeez, although some comments were funny...especially the insane one.

Know any instructors in OHIO, not that it matters, my time is filled.

[Eric Larson]

"Wow! What troll crack are you smoking? What proof do you have? None of course, I don't mean for you to answer the question...you don't know the answer."

I lived in Japan for 7 years. I have studied ancient scrolls linking Japanese martial arts with Chinese martial arts. I have read scrolls (makimono) which link Chinese martial arts with India's martial arts. I have read scrolls which link India's martial arts with Egyptian martial arts. You my friend are merely a troll, who cannot even post his real name, due to fear. Get a life.

"India may have taught people in china some art, but it was definately changed from their."

Of coarse it was changed moron. Just like Ninjutsu was developed in Japan, from the teachings of the Chinese. You need to read, research and learn some other languages in order to read what is out there. You know nothing, don't waste my time.

Eric Larson
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu

[Wongsifu]

eric you can speak ancient japanese / sanskrit and read hyrogliphics !!!
wooooooooo
:D

could you explain how martial arts went from egypt to india then to china its too dodgy for me mate

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

[Wongsifu]

oh btw in your profile it says you have been a amrtial artist for 20 years but trained for 9 :)
I remember the good old days when i would watch bruce lee films and pretend i was better than himm

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

[Eric Larson]

I have been in the Bujinkan for 9 years. ;) Many other martial arts for 20 years. For history of martial arts, e-mail me and I will send you a copy of some REAL research. It is too long to post it here.

Eric Larson
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu

[I Hate Ashida Kim]

For history of martial arts, e-mail me and I will send you a copy of some REAL research.

Hook me up. fakeninjassuck@hotmail.com

Wongsifu said: "eric you can speak ancient japanese / sanskrit and read hyrogliphics !!!
wooooooooo"

Ancient(?) Japanese is not sanskrit.
Lots of people can read sanskrit
At least a few people can read heiroglyphics, well, not all of them.

I Hate Ashida Kim

"If Ashida wished you to know his real name, I am sure he would write to you and tell you himself." --Danny Sainty

"So, you supposed martial artists, what are you trining for? Who are you training to fight? Apparently no one. Because even in a hypothetical situation, you puss out, Ha! Ha!" --Ashida Kim

[Danny Sainty]

Eric.
I am not trying to slam the bujinkan, and I have attended classes and seminars by Australias finest in the art. And I can see wasted movement within it (you can probably see unrefined technique in mine as well) We are both practicing our art, I came here to get constructive criticism on a book, you want to be friends, fine, want to fight, fine. I am just practicing my art.
I was saying the art I practice is much more chinese, was not refering to the bujinkan at all Eric.
Would be happy to get together and train together with you (or are you challanging me? then it gets more serious!)
Where abouts in the US are you Eric? we shall organise a tiem and place to meet when I make it over there. You have my email if you want to talk futher about this, discuss the two arts etc.
And sorry guys, must agree with Eric that all MA's came from Egypt and India.

And it just happens our instructor is from Tulsa boys!, will email you his contact as soon as I get his permission.

[This message was edited by Danny Sainty on 10-03-01 at 04:19 PM.]

[gazza99]

How is it more chinese Danny??????

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[joedoe]

Eric & Danny - All MA come from Egypt and India? Come on. We've had this argument here before. Every culture has its own flavour of MA that often has developed independently of others. Of course people travel and techniques are exchanged, but I think it is going a bit far to say that All MA come from Egypt and India.

Danny: I am in Carlingford (near Parramatta). Email me just before you are about to come down next and we can organise to meet up.

cxxx[]:::::::::::>
You're fu(king up my chi

[Danny Sainty]

By looking at other arts the movements themselves are not quite like any other Japanese art you see that Japan has had very little influence upon it, the steps etc all have a "Chinese" feel to them, yet you would still not call it kung fu.
As I have said before, very much like Kosho Ryu Kempo (which I believe is due to the Mitose/ Fujita connection)
All of this makes little sense I am sure!
I should get some videos done for you guys!

[Danny Sainty]

Yes, but the first traces of organised martial arts came from those places.
Sounds good ABandit (am actually going up to Sydney tomorrow but busy schedule sorry!)
Hopefully in November, meet up, train, have lunch :)

[joedoe]

By that reasoning, Chinese cooking also originated from Africa because that is where people probably started cooking food :)

November sounds good. Give me a week or two's notice (my schedule gets really busy soon).

cxxx[]:::::::::::>
You're fu(king up my chi

[Grappling-Insanity]

Maybe I'll bulk up and I'll meet you half way :p .

[ope]

its not far to say all martial arts came from one place.. remmeber the the sholin(sp?) monks first learned the basic stances taught to them, and from there they created the different fighting styles..

[dunbarj01]

Abandit,

I thought we all agreed on an earlier post that everything came from Korea. What's this about india and egypt? :(

Sorry, I haven't read all the posts - i just hopped in now.

Danny, you're a brave man bringing up this topic...

"That would be me. I've been swimming in raw sewage...I love IT!" - Frank Drebbin, Police Squad.

[zen_celt]

Eric- I really enjoy reading different theories of Martial history. Would you mind sending me whatever you have in the way of the research you discussed earlier? My email is californiacelt@hotmail.com Thanks.

Danny, can you give me some history on AK's art please? I've read his site and I still don't get the main difference between him and other arts. I still don't even know what an Astral spy is. Also, what history can I find on Dante etc? Other than his hair styling abilities ;)

Anyone feel like explaining the Dojo Wars to me?

Just trying to understand.
-Z

"The thorn *****s only those who would harm the rose."

[Aramus]

Missed your point. (My name is Aramus, and a few other names, some of them not very nice). Please don't "dog" my intelligence, it's just what I was born with or did you mean knowledge. Sorry, I might be tired.
No, I don't know Japanese or Chinese or ...Latin. I had only a few friends that could. One happened to have a PHD in Oriental Culture and history. He was fun to discuss stuff with. When he came back from Japan after teaching English we had even more time to discuss the nature of the country, martial arts, etc. His view was that Japan has always had the attitude that it recieves things (technology, martial arts, etc.) and improves them beyond what they were. I thought this was extreme, but I digress.
I have read many, many books on views of the origin of martial arts, what martial arts really is (fighting, art form, combat, etc.), and WAY too many websites with "information" on history and such. I have had "ancient" scrolls read to me, but I can't even begin to tell you how accurate they were. After all, history is usually determined by the winners. I am not proficient in determing what is authentic and such. I also know that the Sanscript doesn't always translate very well in other languages and there has been a lot of confusion here and there when words are simply translated from langauge to language. This doesn't discount anything you read. There have been several break throughs and such.

I have no intention of learning another language, I'm busy...so are a lot of people so I really don't have an excuse. My son is learning Japanese, maybe he can help me (right..)
Life is change, arts sometimes change. My question is, if it came from some where (India, Egypt) would the orignators recognize it in its current form? So if it changes radically, is it the same art, can it truly be thought of as coming from the source if it doesn't resemble the source.
If this is a waste of time, don't reply I understand.

"I do have a life, I just can't sleep."
The Man called Armaus (no-name)
Happiness to all.

[Danny Sainty]

Zen Celt,
Email me and I shall give you a run down on our art.

[nightair]

danny? where can I get the book? Do you have a website that can give me the info

[Aramus]

I can't seem to e-mail you. I've tried twice with no luck.
You can feel free to e-mail me, my e-mail address is
jester@knight-sabers.com
Have a good day.

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

[qeySuS]

I think we'r about the same size Grappling-Insanity, i'm 65Kg's. I have no idea how many pounds that is, too bad i'm not an astrial spy :)

Free thinkers are dangerous!

[Jaguar Wong]

qeySuS = 143lbs
You're a little'un too :p

We need to gather all the small guys and bring 'em 'round the buffet track here in Vegas.

aww, I'm just messin' with ya. I know some of you are still growing, so I'll leave you alone for now.

Jaguar Wong

[qeySuS]

heh i dont care. I've always been thin (you should have seen me before i started doing MA). I've tried lifting weights but it bores me :) I eat a ****load of food and i never get fat I CANT CONTROL MY THINNESS! :)

Free thinkers are dangerous!

[Danny Sainty]

Nightair,
It will be avilbie in a few martial art supplies within Australia, email me for how you can get a copy overseas.

[krome]

Man I just read that whole thing!

I hate to advise the ninjutsu guys, but according to Ralek brazilian jiu jitsu is superior. And after viewing this Link (http://www.gracieacademy.com/multimedia/inaction2vid.html) I would have to agree.

So how do you guys approach BJJ fighters?

If you can't win run, run like Hell.

[Jaguar Wong]

qeySus,
I'm just messin' with you. I train with a couple of guys that weigh about the same as you do (145 - 150). They're very aggressive, and their striking power is much better than mine was when I was at that weight.

I was always heavier (when I started, I was around 185lbs/84kg) than most of the other guys at my height (uh...I had thick legs, yeah that's it). When I was in the 170 - 175 range, I had a great blend of speed and power, but I kept losing weight and eventually got all the way to 153. I had a lot of speed, but I was used to being heavier, so I got tossed around and had no striking power.

Now I'm about 200+ (hehe, some of it is muscle, and I still have thick legs :p My wife's pregnancy was rough on me ya know!). I'm hoping to drop to the 180 area, since that's where I'm most comfortable, and have a good blend of speed/power. My power has increased because of the extensive heavy bag work that I do as well, but I think I jacked my shoulder praticing lead left hooks.

Anyway, I'm just pickin' on the lighter guys out of jealousy, and due to the torment I suffered at your weight. I know you guys are probably used to it, and fight well there, but I just wasn't ready for it. :)

Jaguar Wong

[JWTAYLOR]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are a few of them around, I have not trained with most of them though so could not comment on the level of thier skill, drop me an email and I will put you in contact with a few if I can. [/quote] Danny Sainty

Got it, thanks.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[This message was edited by Jon Wayne Taylor on 10-11-01 at 12:51 PM.]

[This message was edited by Jon Wayne Taylor on 10-11-01 at 12:51 PM.]