SLT go high tech

[Phenix]

past is past never will it come back. Be it the Red Boat or.....

Now, we have the technology to help us get deep into the practice of SLT. What one needs are:
1, digital themal meter which can record temperature vesus time.
2, digital breathing counter which can record breathing in time/Min
3, EEG brain wave monitor which can record one's brain wave.

The thermal meter will show if qi got generated and pass to finger tip.

The breathing counter will show if the breathing and the alignment of the spine is proper that the deep breathing goes under 6 breath per min which imply the movement is relax and natural.

The EEG will show if one get into alpha and then TheTa.

How difficult is to check the Qi generation and passage?
how difficult is to check if one's get into tranquil mind state and natural movement via breathing?
how difficult is to "know" cast off the limiting thought and return to the true emptiness when one enter into the "deep" or Theta?

Not difficult to measure with the high tech garget. this is better then the Mouth Transmiting face to face.

In mouth and face I don't usual trust. IN digital data colection I always do.:D

How far can your SLT takes you? It is not difficult to know.
Time to go real.. not by myth but by digital and biofeedback.

SLT goes high tech part I: Mind/breathing/ body.
Wait until part II: measuring of Jings......

If we can measure we can reproduce and synthesis.....
Are you ready?
We have come along way baby.

Surgent general said: Belive on you own risk.;)

[Wingman]

Great idea! The only problem is: How could you properly execute SLT with all those gadgets connected to you?:confused:

[reneritchie]

Scotty, set Biu Jee on stun!

[old jong]

No wonder the grapplers and muay thai guys have so much fun laughing at us!

[Phenix]

Originally posted by Wingman
Great idea! The only problem is: How could you properly execute SLT with all those gadgets connected to you?:confused:


Go wireless....

or tape up the wire. use very fine wire..

[Phenix]

Originally posted by crimsonking
You're on the right track Hendrik, the use of biofeedback devices to measure muscle tension is another avenue worth pursuing - access to a high-level biomechanics lab helps though.

Of course, low-tech approaches still hold much value - bathroom scales, mirrors, wooden dummy, chisao partner (lol)...

This is where wing chun can be truly progressive... not JKD!

Dont forget, self-awareness is the key, and there are no mirrors in the street!

LOL. to be real honest, I have tried these stuffs for about 5 years now..... IMHO, it works....

[Phenix]

Originally posted by old jong
No wonder the grapplers and muay thai guys have so much fun laughing at us!


Alots of people out there talks about WCK evolution right?:D

This is just to return to nature as the ancestors perscribe. and nothing wrong using high tech gear to quantitatively synthesis one.

as for the grapplers and muay thai, wait until they see the next generation WCk people.

Why should we fight in the ground? why should we exchange force with force? why should I fight in you paradigm.

welcome to WCK spider web paradigm....
WCK means you touch me you got hit. you come close you get stick, disarm, and nail... and you are not alow to touch me. remember in ancient china Lady is not suppose to be touch?:D


It is not WCK philosophy or principle. it is we need a stronger training monitor. dummy need to be inteligent now. It is Matrix era

I hate Jedi. Those are just egoistic and arrogant people with big deal Jedi tradition.
I prefer to have Darth Vader's sythesis army stretch towards the horizon. Let's make the clone beat those egoistic arrogant Jedi. knights :D

[OdderMensch]

how true old jong, clearly it should have been "Chekov, set Bui Jee to stun."

I mean, Sotty was the enginer, not the weapons officer! Shame on Rene for such an obvious mistake. :)

[anerlich]

as for the grapplers and muay thai, wait until they see the next generation WCk people.

The problem is they've been waiting for over a generation and are still waiting. Me too.

Imagine that, a martial artist using high tech equipment - like every professional sportsman of the last forty odd years.

"Cap'n she just cannae take no more! Ya cannae change the laws of physics!"

or whas that someone else?

"We come in peace, shoot to kill."

[Golden Arms]

Hmm...I am going with old jong on this one :)

[Xiao3 Meng4]

I'm not quite sure how you would use high tech gadgetry to improve performance. Phenix, you say you've been doing it for years. What have you been doing? What's it been doing to you?


Also, if any gadgetry readouts are most effective when read in realtime, wouldn't the reading of these readouts detract from one's SLT? Just like a mirror takes attention away from your body, wouldn't reading data informing you about your body be more complex than simply feeling what's going on in your body yourself? Isn't this one of the many refinements of being SLT has to offer?

Xiao3 Meng4

[Geezer]

Xiao3 Meng4 Wrote>
Phenix, you say you've been doing it for years. What have you been doing? What's it been doing to you?

Makes you think of the BORG!!!!!

"You Will Be Ass......imilated."


Sheldon:D

[Phenix]

Originally posted by Xiao3 Meng4
I'm not quite sure how you would use high tech gadgetry to improve performance. Phenix, you say you've been doing it for years. What have you been doing? What's it been doing to you?


Also, if any gadgetry readouts are most effective when read in realtime, wouldn't the reading of these readouts detract from one's SLT? Just like a mirror takes attention away from your body, wouldn't reading data informing you about your body be more complex than simply feeling what's going on in your body yourself? Isn't this one of the many refinements of being SLT has to offer?

Xiao3 Meng4


Biofeedback work in the real world: tame stress, control blood pressure, link body/mind ..... right?

Wants to go scientific with solid facts? without saying this is relax, qi . .... But not empty words which cannot be measure the progress?
have a try
:D

how to refine SLT if one doesn't even know what is deep relaxation?
and how one breath properly in basic?

Reading data tells one what works what doesn't. nothing complex if one get the rigth handle or knob of control.

What and how to refine if one doesn't know and proven what works and what not? we need data and one to one corelation....

Dare to test if your SLT and practiced work? or just myth of saying "this is from wudang or shao lin...... or ancient secret pass down to me directly....do this 2 hours" and.......;)

Try this..
http://www1.resperate.com/

test yourself before and after doing SLT .... LOL

[kj]

Originally posted by Phenix
Dare to test if your SLT and practiced work?

Coming from a process control background, this kind of stuff definitely punches my buttons.

Still, I think there's risk of getting too much on a tangent with things like this. We are taught to do our training and not get greedy in pursuit of things like qi, which can sidetrack our efforts. If it comes, it comes; if not, you can still learn how to control and hit.

IMHO, its much more important to measure results by how well we handle the bad guys.

"Just do it."

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[Phenix]

Originally posted by kj



Still, I think there's risk of getting too much on a tangent with things like this. We are taught to do our training and not get greedy in pursuit of things like qi, which can sidetrack our efforts. If it comes, it comes; if not, you can still learn how to control and hit.

IMHO, its much more important to measure results by how well we handle the bad guys.




If I am not wrong.
As Micle De angelo said, I only release the scruture from the stone, i don't craft.
But then,
One can release the scruture from the stone only after one has detail control, knowing precisely each punch, and highly skill on craving.


after one take apart a car and put it back again and again for many many times...

then one sees, To travel 70 miles per hour can be done and it is not even the limit yet.
but the mechanical design, the lube, electrical line ,and fuel line have to be well design and well control.

without has some experience of relaxation one can't get rid of the not neccessary muscle tensing to make body dynamic flow....

To handle bad guy we need superman who flow and adaptive... :D

[[Censored]]

Once or twice in the past, I videotaped my forms. Honestly, I was shocked and embarassed to see my movement from the outside. IMO, that is a good thing.

Still, I think there's risk of getting too much on a tangent with things like this. We are taught to do our training and not get greedy in pursuit of things like qi, which can sidetrack our efforts...IMHO, its much more important to measure results by how well we handle the bad guys.

Greedy for sensitivity and position, or greedy for qi and shen, either way it's "greedy". ;)

I'm sure you won't dispute the strong correlation between relaxation and power. Besides, wasn't it you who pointed out that "what you measure, you get"? :)

[kj]

Originally posted by [Censored]
Once or twice in the past, I videotaped my forms. Honestly, I was shocked and embarassed to see my movement from the outside. IMO, that is a good thing.


I do it with some regularity. Fantastic feedback mechanism and diagnostic tool. Indispensible for folks like me who have to spend spans of time working without the benefit of the teacher’s ever watchful eye. For the spans in between, I have to find many ways of being my own watchful eye. ;)


Still, I think there's risk of getting too much on a tangent with things like this. We are taught to do our training and not get greedy in pursuit of things like qi, which can sidetrack our efforts...IMHO, its much more important to measure results by how well we handle the bad guys.

Greedy for sensitivity and position, or greedy for qi and shen, either way it's "greedy". ;)

Balance in everything. No greediness for anything. Not even for no greediness. :)

I'm sure you won't dispute the strong correlation between relaxation and power. Besides, wasn't it you who pointed out that "what you measure, you get"? :)

Ha ha - your memory about what I wrote here is better than mine.

Indeed, "you get what you measure." The corollary is "be careful what you measure." Or at least be sure it's a "balanced" measurement program. I also said I'm one who enjoys measurement and controls, so I'm not prepared to give them up entirely, LOL.

Regards,
- Kathy Jo