Lohan or Long fist (Poll) [Archive] - Kung Fu Magazine Forums

freedom76

03-07-2003, 12:05 AM

I like the Luohan form of Xiao Luohan over the longfist I've done. I find it a lot more challenging. Moving from one funky position to another is fun. Also, finding the practical applications of the movements have taken some more thought (for me anyway!) I like "working" for it, so to speak. Though I don't mean to criticize long fist styles by any means. The Long fist form I am learning has quite a variety of movemnets. It's the traditional 108 movements, but actually has a few more than that, depending how you count. The xiao luohan has about 30 or so, again depending on how you count. Both are fun and have their individual challenges, but I enjoy the Luohan more.

chief108

03-18-2003, 12:51 PM

that's a hard one.....

please be more detailed on the Lohan thingy :p
There are a couple of different Lohan styles/ forms/ routines (as you surely know...)

@ http://www.selini108.com we do an Eagle Claw Lohan form (well... a whole lotta forms that is...), the 18 Hands of Lohan with selfdefense applications, a couple of Lohan two man sets and much much more.......

On the other hand, we do a lot of Long Fist as well..... :eek:

So......
Decisions, decisions...... :confused:

Chief108

HuangKaiVun

03-18-2003, 09:29 PM

"Lohan" vs. "longfist?"

That's like saying "Spanish" vs. "European".

Tsuei

03-20-2003, 05:27 PM

I agree with Huang.. but I would put it like two sides of the same coin. At the school I attend they are considered intertwined.. both integral parts of the same path.

prana

03-28-2003, 01:22 PM

my preference is Lohan,

looks like nothing from the outside, but crazy stuff inside :)
:D

chief108

03-28-2003, 01:45 PM

yesterday we did a videoshoot in which we included some combat/ selfdefense applications of Lohan...
will be online within a week I guess
we're updating the forms everyday now, so check it out!!!
http://www.selini108.com

Chief108

Guile

04-08-2003, 08:51 AM

Nice to see a forms page:)

chief108

04-08-2003, 09:29 AM

thnx dude!!!

we work hard for this stuff and there will be a lot of videoclips updates now...
we're updating EVERY DAY now...
so bookmark www.selini108.com
and see what's new...

Chief108

r.(shaolin)

04-09-2003, 07:31 PM

Hi chief108

If you don't min

norther practitioner

04-09-2003, 08:26 PM

chief 108
I have slight modifications in my yi chuan routine, but almost identicle. Towards the end there is the kick and palm, our next posture blocks and palms in front, where you guys seem to pull the arm back, other than that, the arm break in the middle of the form is more of a rotating step in ours. I'd be interested in seeing you su chuan (4th fist), we skip 2 and 3 at our school, fill it in with the first 5 lines of a 10 line tan tui (which looks similar to yours as well).

chief108

04-09-2003, 10:22 PM

well we do them in different ways too :)

there are allways "trademarks" that can be put into the forms at certain points....
mostly known are the Shaolin trademarks (lotsa Buddha-hands-add-ons...), but coming from an Eagle Claw background....
yep...

Where do we come from?
We've got this collection of styles from training all over this FF-ing planet for over 18 years!!!
You name it... Selini108 was there dude!!! :p :D ;)

Check out our new video's as well will ya...
They're cool!!!!

Chief108

chief108

04-09-2003, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by norther practitioner
chief 108
I have slight modifications in my yi chuan routine, but almost identicle. Towards the end there is the kick and palm, our next posture blocks and palms in front, where you guys seem to pull the arm back, other than that, the arm break in the middle of the form is more of a rotating step in ours. I'd be interested in seeing you su chuan (4th fist), we skip 2 and 3 at our school, fill it in with the first 5 lines of a 10 line tan tui (which looks similar to yours as well).
Cool...
we're gonna be putting as much forms online as we can train on....

The main reason we do the forms the way you see them online, is to keep it as max. effective and still very much basic....

this stuff is all made to fight with, not to show off our cute little dances :D
If we can't use a little twist or anything, it's probably not in the form...
on the other hand... very small details can make the difference in a fight and they *are* there dude!!!!

Chief108

norther practitioner

04-09-2003, 10:40 PM

Where does your Chan Chuan lineage come from?

StickyHands

05-29-2003, 03:58 AM

EH what would be the general difference between Longfist and Lohan? Thanks.

Brad

05-29-2003, 06:28 AM

Hi chief108

If you don't mind me asking but who taught you
the "Chan Chuan" forms on your site.

I am cuorious about the mix of Nan Chuan,
Tai Chi Chuan and Chan Chuan as well.
I'm not chief(obviously, lol) but the Chang Quan forms shown(1&2) are modern wushu beginer level forms. Hey Chief, where'd ya learn your wushu from?

norther practitioner

05-29-2003, 08:26 PM

Well, they are used by both "traditional" and modern chang chuan people. I use the quotes for traditional because some would not consider chang chuan traditional as it came about in the 20s..... but whatever.

Brad

05-29-2003, 09:58 PM

They're good forms(I've practiced them alot!), but I'm fairly certain they were created in the 50's or so specifically as part of the standardized longfist system. Not trying to imply anything about anyone :D

StickyHands

05-29-2003, 11:12 PM

So the difference between the two IS?? Is it true that Longfist resembles a lot like Tai Chi's forms, except not internally done?

MasterKiller

05-29-2003, 11:16 PM

Is it true that Longfist resembles a lot like Tai Chi's forms, except not internally done?

Not the long fist I do.

chief108

06-02-2003, 11:38 AM

well...
no hints on where we got our training. :p
some of those will be rather p!ssed when they know what we are doing on our website...
we also have Praying Mantis forms, Bagua etc. etc...

all material on our site is beginner stuf, the more advanced routines will come in time.
ya gotta start with them basics....

and yes, actually there is a resemblense beween long fist and taijiquan.
not very strange if you think about the history of TJQ, is it?

Chief108

StickyHands

06-03-2003, 01:54 AM

Well can anyone tell me ANYTHING about the two arts (from your experiences I mean), especially Long Fist? Thanks.

chief108

06-03-2003, 09:02 AM

ofcourse...
what did you want to know???

also keep an eye on this page (http://www.selini108.com/wushu.htm).
Lohan, Long Fist and Eagle Claw are some of our basics....

Chief108

StickyHands

06-04-2003, 08:12 AM

uh Anything at all, what makes them effective, isnt longfist a form of modernized demonstrative wushu? what makes them different etc, combat strategies. you know the basic stuff u wanted to learn before knowing anything about the two. thanks.

chief108

06-04-2003, 08:52 AM

ok...

>>what makes them effective

>>isnt longfist a form of modernized demonstrative wushu?
most can be found in this article:
http://www.selini108.com/shaolin/stories/form_1_introduction.htm
another good read on traditional wushu forms and how they work:
http://www.selini108.com/shaolin/stories/articles_01.htm

I personally like Lohan, since is very basic and incredibly effective for self defense. I like the continious attacks, it's like a train that runs over you and drags you along for a couple of miles. The break-free techniques are quite powerful as well..... My instructor broke my thumb at a demonstration once with 'em :eek:

I personally like Long Fist, since it goes to extremes. Fast in, fast out. The streched out punches give you so mauch reach, and the flow of the routines will teach you how to get back in your center after each attack. It's like a wave of attack and retrive. :p

Then put some Eagle Claw and Yang style Taijiquan in it and there are my roots...

Chief108

Starchaser107

06-04-2003, 09:25 AM

Hey chief , that form thats described as chan chuan 1 under routines, thats Small Plum Flower fist , at least thats what i know it as ,Sui Mei Fah (sp) :)

r.(shaolin)

06-05-2003, 05:58 AM

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Brad wrote:

Quan forms shown(1&2) are modern wushu . . . they were created in the 50's.

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Brad your are right, these two forms as shown in the site were created in the 50's and are modern. They were both published in book form as early as the sixties along with a more advanced form.

Form #2 on the site is based on a very old traditional Hong Chang Quan form. The original is more complex than the modern version shown.

r.

StickyHands

06-05-2003, 06:11 AM

:D Anything else? Anyone else?

StickyHands

06-08-2003, 05:44 AM

HELLO

Brad

06-08-2003, 07:33 AM

Brad your are right, these two forms as shown in the site were created in the 50's and are modern. They were both published in book form as early as the sixties along with a more advanced form.
Any idea where to get the books(other than flying to China)? I've been looking for them for quite awhile, lol :D

Brad

06-08-2003, 07:45 AM

isnt longfist a form of modernized demonstrative wushu?
That's only a small part of longfist that a lot of people choose to specialize in. Kind of like how Taiji is a martial art, but a lot focus only on health aspects. Modern longfist has an international compulsory form designed for performance competition, but it's only a small part of total material making up the system.

About halfway through this article on San Da it shows how a few longfist techniques can be used in fighting:
http://teleline.terra.es/personal/ealpan/articles/sanda.htm

StickyHands

06-08-2003, 10:37 AM

Thanks, reading about Sanda was interesting, he also gives credits to Taiji fighters. But I still dont know how Longfist differs from Lohan?

norther practitioner

06-09-2003, 05:41 PM

Small Plum Flower fist

Eagle Claw?

Yi chuan... first fist in most long fist circles...

I just got back from training with some college friends, they did their version, I did mine, only a few differences. Ours is very similar to the one on selini. :D