Psychological Aspects of MA Training

[kj]

For those curious about such things, here is a terrific, albeit lengthy article on the subject. Lot's of interesting summaries and references.

Link courtesy of a friend -> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kataylor/mapsy2.htm

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[reneritchie]

Hi KJ,

Very interesting stuff! I took a quick glance but will go back for an indepth read when time allows.

There are, of course, all types of people in MA, even in advanced MA. There are victims, bullies, fans, fighters, intellectuals, philosophers, opportunists, etc. We each bring our own baggage. But if not, we wouldn't be here, would we?

[burnsypoo]

Originally posted by reneritchie
There are, of course, all types of people in MA, even in advanced MA. There are victims, bullies, fans, fighters, intellectuals, philosophers, opportunists, etc. We each bring our own baggage. But if not, we wouldn't be here, would we?

I think the potential for all of those are in everyone, the Martial Arts training really helps us choose what kind of person we want to be.

[Grendel]

Originally posted by burnsypoo


I think the potential for all of those are in everyone, the Martial Arts training really helps us choose what kind of person we want to be.
I suspect if the same psychological profiles were drawn of the more prolific posters on KFO, we'd see the numbers skew tellingly. :p

[kj]

Originally posted by reneritchie
We each bring our own baggage. But if not, we wouldn't be here, would we?

LOL. Couldn't be truer.

And burnsypoo, yes, what you said.

I've learned a lot, about a lot of things, and in a lot of places. But paradoxically, never through any single undertaking so much as through the pursuit of this art, purportedly designed only for fighting.

Regards,
- kj

[reneritchie]

I think the potential for all of those are in everyone, the Martial Arts training really helps us choose what kind of person we want to be.

The teacher who was victimized as a child becomes the bully in the classroom? The great warrior grows sick of blood and becomes the philosophical peace maker? It's a double edged blade. You can increase the monster or transcend it. Which leads to...

I've learned a lot, about a lot of things, and in a lot of places. But paradoxically, never through any single undertaking so much as through the pursuit of this art, purportedly designed only for fighting.

Of the three major types of conflict, wo/man vs. him/herself is the most profound. Any endeavor that forces you up against the wall of your own frailties, your own weaknesses, your own disappointments can bring transcendance. WCK, devoid of flash, requiring an immense amount of introspection to be truly effective, is great for that. You sit in that YJKYM or you develop nothing. You do that Luk Sao long past defeat, past fatigue, or you attain nothing.

As I mentioned on another thread, there are other vehicules (painting can be one, marathon running, I've found writing, if done truthfully, can be as brutal on the self as NHB). In the end, what you enjoy and can spend time on will hopefully distill down for you (if you can avoid letting it consume or destroy you, the equal and opposite danger).

[canglong]

I've learned a lot, about a lot of things, and in a lot of places. But paradoxically, never through any single undertaking so much as through the pursuit of this art, purportedly designed only for fighting. -kj

Good observation kj I agree with your statement the question then is why?

[kj]

Originally posted by canglong
I've learned a lot, about a lot of things, and in a lot of places. But paradoxically, never through any single undertaking so much as through the pursuit of this art, purportedly designed only for fighting. -kj

Good observation kj I agree with your statement the question then is why?

Hi Cangalong. Good question.

Things that are profound tend to be at once very simple, yet very complex. I think René hit well from the simple and elegant perspective with:

"Any endeavor that forces you up against the wall of your own frailties, your own weaknesses, your own disappointments can bring transcendance. WCK, devoid of flash, requiring an immense amount of introspection to be truly effective, is great for that."

Enumerating the contexts of René's assertion will necessarily result in sins of omission; because the ramifications and layers are virtually infinite, the exercise can't be done exhaustively. This is where the complexity comes in.

So I am still contemplating where one should start, not to mention how generally or how personally to address the question, LOL.

The fact that you ask a question for which it is challenging to formulate a concise answer, is further evidence that the question is a good one, at least in my view.

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[desertwingchun2]

Here's my 2 cents worth:

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Originally posted by canglong
I've learned a lot, about a lot of things, and in a lot of places. But paradoxically, never through any single undertaking so much as through the pursuit of this art, purportedly designed only for fighting. -kj

Good observation kj I agree with your statement the question then is why?
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... because the ramifications and layers are virtually infinite, the exercise can't be done exhaustively. This is where the complexity comes in. -KJ

So I am still contemplating where one should start, not to mention how generally or how personally to address the question, LOL. - KJ

KJ - IMO if the "exercise" above were to reference learning via your WCK journey you may have just addressed the question succinctly. If I'm reading this right, your verbal skills are definetly following WC principles and concepts. :)

Tony - That was a hella good question! Come to think of it, your question was very complex by the nature of its simplicity.

If your question was a smilie face it would be "This Guy!"
:cool:

-David

[kj]

Originally posted by desertwingchun2
KJ - IMO if the "exercise" above were to reference learning via your WCK journey ...

Yes, that was precisely what I was referring to. Thanks for "connecting," David. :)

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[canglong]

KJ - yes I agree the answer really is a personal one and everyone will answer differently but developing a partial answer could very well be what drives us to continue to persue even more answers. It does appear as if the practice of wck creates questions that only more study and practice of wck can answer and that in itselfs seems to be one of the many things that makes this such a wonderful art.

David - You seem to be working magic with those 2 cents. But remember warriors don't smile and ganstaz don't dance.

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