shaolin wrestling

[neptunesfall]

hey everyone....

i have read before that Shaolin had it's own system of throws, derived from shuai jiao.
i know there are some fellow shuai jiao fighters on this board and was wondering if any of them know which throws were included in this system, which i believe was called jiao-ti.
can anyone share some info??

[Kung Lek]

Hi-
Shaolin codified and systematized a very large number of seperate martial arts and styles ranging from close fighting to longarm, to wrestling, to grappling to weapons to...well you name it and the shaolin order worked it to a zenith.

These systematized arts where disseminated from the temple outwards and over a thousand plus years became many other martial arts that in turn became true unto themselves as complete systems as they went through further development.

Many martial styles owe their origins to the Shaolin.
Of course, the Chinese had martial arts even before the existance of the temple and long before martial practice was a mainstay at Henan.

But having said that, it was the Shaolin who catalogged everything diligently and kept those martial arts alive and well for a very long period of time extending up to today in the here and now.

So, yes, they had wrestling, they didn't "invent" wrestling but they certainly modified it, added to it and gave it that distinct flavour of Shaolin Martial Arts.

peace

Kung Lek

[Valraven]

Chiao-ti is not Shoalin derived. It was an early form of Shuai-chiao that evolved from an ancient Chinese gladiatorial contest called Gotti. The participants wore horned helmets and tried to gauge eachother, sometimes unto death.
Shaolin styles all have some elements of Shuai-chiao incorporated into the forms and sets.
There is, however, a Shoalin ground fighting system called Gouchuan (dog fist) or Fukien Ground boxing, that evolved in the Fukian Provence. It is a very athletic style that concentrates on striking and Chin Na techniques from the ground. I have trained this on a very limited basis. Very tough.
Contemporary Wushu has a set called Ditang Chuan which evloved from Gouchuan. This has devolved into a dificult tumbling routine that has lost much of its martial application.
Still, the argument could be made that many kung fu/wushu forms are more for attribute development then actual fighting.
Hope this help

[neptunesfall]

thanks for clearing up what chiao-ti was. i knew there was an art based on trying to gore each other with the helmets, but wasn't sure about the name.
does anyone know what the name of the Shaolin throwing system was and what throws it used?
i have been taught throwing applications from my forms and they are mostly sweeps/trips and single-double leg/embracing type take downs.