OT: Terry Jones(Monty Python) about the War.

[Laughing Cow]

Hi.

Here are 2 articles written by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame about the IRAQ situation.

OK, George, make with the friendly bombs (http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,651633,00.html)

I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush (http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,882459,00.html)

Some might not like the way he puts things into perspective.
;)

[Braden]

Or takes them out of it, as the case may be.

He makes a good argument. Too bad it doesn't have anything to do with the war.

Please pay attention:

Pre-emptive attack is bad.
This war is not about pre-emptive attack.

Filling the media with a position which everyone agrees with and falsely associating it with a policy under debate is called propaganda. It is a way of lying to people so you can control what they do, say, and think. It's different than a picture of a swimsuit model holding a sign saying "People who hate Bush get to have sex with me" only in degree of subtlety.

The grounding for war is based upon a 12-year violation of UN legislation. There's nothing pre-emptive about that, and it's entirely unrelated to the argument Terry Jones makes.

[Laughing Cow]

Braden.

I couldn' care what you think about it, nor anyone else.

So shut your TRAP the Post is for EVERYONE not for your benefit to enlighten me or anybody else, or proof your superiority as you are so fond of doing.

In your eagerness to crusade against me you overlooked that the Guy is a Comedian.

[dezhen2001]

pretty funny articles, in a serious way :D

dawood

[sapphire tygre]

T.J.,.... What a fruit. Saddam terrorizes innocent people for years, but hey, he's a diplomat, the rules of civilization shoudn't apply to him. Fuzzy and dangerous logic there. Whatever, just another fruity "english" guy spouting off.

[Braden]

Settle down there, big guy.

[sapphire tygre]

terry jones... america is going to annex england, beer will be strictly rationed and watered down. Tintin has joined our ranks and Captain Haddock just punched out prince charles.

[dezhen2001]

u guys still have tintin there?:confused: or r u just showing your age? :p

dawood

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by sapphire tygre
terry jones... america is going to annex england, beer will be strictly rationed and watered down. Tintin has joined our ranks and Captain Haddock just punched out prince charles.

Does that mean that the Pubs will finally stay open longer??

:D :D

[dezhen2001]

they stay open longer in scotland than england :p

dawood

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by dezhen2001
u guys still have tintin there?:confused: or r u just showing your age? :p

dawood

Still repeated over here about once a Year.

Gimme "Yoko Tsuno" over Tintin any day of the week.
Ooops, showing my age here.
:eek:

[dezhen2001]

thank goodness i have no idea what ur on about :D

dawood

[Laughing Cow]

It's an old Belgium MA(sorta) Comic.

Used to be bound like the old Asterix Comics.

Yoko Tsuno (http://come.to/yokotsuno/)

[sapphire tygre]

Yoko Tsuno?

[Laughing Cow]

Check the link in the Post above yours.

Yoko is Erasian, did some JMA and has wonderful adventures.

There are baddies, friends from the future, etc.

Just the right reading for the teen I was.
;)

[sapphire tygre]

I might see if the bookstore has it. They have a huge selection of comics. Funny I never heard of it before.

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by sapphire tygre
I might see if the bookstore has it. They have a huge selection of comics. Funny I never heard of it before.

It has only been recently (last few Years) translated to English.
Amazon does carry stock of the ones translated so far.

Mind that it is over 20yrs old and might seem a bit outdated.

[sapphire tygre]

Might seem a bit outdated? Not a problem. But yes, with comics people can get touchy about that. Just like very good comics, which should come with a high quality warning.

[diego]

Originally posted by dezhen2001
u guys still have tintin there?:confused: or r u just showing your age? :p

dawood

tintin...why do i know that name?. :)

[ZIM]

As long as we're being 'funny'... (http://www.reason.com/0303/bagge.shtml)

...maybe some of these ppl will help you out. (http://ahmed-mohammed.mindswap.net/NakedPeace.html) [are you at work? nononono...]

[FatherDog]

Braden is correct.

BUT...

while the war ISN'T about a preemptive strike, the US government has, in many cases, been describing it as such in the media.

So, while attacking that argument does nothing to demonstrate that war is wrong, it's certainly fair for TJ to point out how absurd it is.

There, we're both right. Now, you two hug. :D

[Braden]

Yay! *hugZ*

[Chang Style Novice]

If the war is about 12 year old UN legislation

a - why didn't it happen 12 years ago?
b - why is the US waging it instead of the UN?

The reasons on paper and the actual reasons don't seem to gibe.

[Braden]

Chang -

a - 12 years ago 'we' were at the gates of Baghdad, and Saddam negotiated a surrender. Yes, we could have 'finished' it then, but it would have involved assassinating a foreign leader and laying siege to a major world city, while they all scream as loud as possible that they'll do anything to surrender. In other words, it's not a superior alternative to what happened.

b - UN isn't an organization that fights wars. It's an organization which [at least tries] to support [at least some concept of] international law.

"The reasons on paper and the actual reasons don't seem to gibe."

If you mean the actual reasons vs. the reasons people are spending all their time talking about, you're exactly right.