DareDevil (spoilers)

[rogue]

Took the kids to see DD last night. I loved it but wish I left the kids at home. Dark, violent and wonderful.

[fa_jing]

Really? The critics trashed it. I don't like Ben Affleck anyway, ever since "Chasing Amy" which has to be the worst example of a man with no pride losing it over a lesbian I have ever seen.
He does have a hot girlfriend, though.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

dogma was a much better movie. cause angels slaughtering the innocent is cool.

[StarBoy]

*blech at the acting and Affleck playing a superhero*

:p

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by GunnedDownAtrocity
dogma was a much better movie. cause angels slaughtering the innocent is cool.

Though seeing Ben Affleck's head explode and chest cave in was pretty cool.




Originally posted by fa_jing
Really? The critics trashed it. I don't like Ben Affleck anyway, ever since "Chasing Amy" which has to be the worst example of a man with no pride losing it over a lesbian I have ever seen.
He does have a hot girlfriend, though.

Oh he finally broke up with that ugly **** Jennifer Lopez?

[No_Know]

People, and their shortcommings, even a grudge from pased talkies...But nary a comment on the story.~ (except first comment really liked but not for the young children)~

[Chang Style Novice]

I haven't seen it. But from the previews, it looks like pure ass to me. I doubt I'll ever rent it, but I might not turn the channel in 10 years when it shows on cinemundo on a saturday afternoon. On the other hand, I probably will.

[guohuen]

The only thing I wish to see Affleck in is an orange jumpsuit and leg irons.

[Black Jack]

Rogue,

I thought is was excellent, it had a r-rating twice in a row before they cut it down to a pg-13 and even that was just a tad away, IMHO its the way superhero movies should be, the darker the better.

The action was first class, the suit looked good, the characters were more together, and it was not trashed by everybody at all, siskel and ebert both gave it two thumbs, as well as the Chicago Tribune.

[Chang Style Novice]

Siskel gave it a tumbs up? These are truly the end times!

(Siskel died a couple of years ago, and was replaced by the biggest idiot I've ever seen on TV that wasn't referred to as "Mr. President.")

[Black Jack]

Sorry, not siskel the guy who replaced the dead bloke.

[rogue]

I've been a DD fan since I was a kid and I thought they stayed as true to the books as possible. Kingpin was dead on except for skin pigment, Bullseye was better without the silly blue suite and Affleck was perfect as Matt Murdock. I loved all the battle damage they showed that he had taken. It was what the Batman movies should have been.

[Chang Style Novice]

Ah, I'm just crackin' yer nuts, Jack. Still, I hate that Roeper hosebag - you know he panned both LotR movies, right?

[Daredevil]

Heh. Thought this was a thread about me and not about the comic superhero portrayed by Ben Who?leck.

:)

[KC Elbows]

Speaking of Batman, I heard the director from Requiem for a Dream was approached to do a Batman movie, based off of the Year One comics that came out quite a while back.

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by KC Elbows
Speaking of Batman, I heard the director from Requiem for a Dream was approached to do a Batman movie, based off of the Year One comics that came out quite a while back.

Darren Aronofsky. He and Frank Miller (writer of the Year One series, as well as the Dark Knight Returns) have been working on a script for Batman: Year One for several years now, but the project has yet to be greenlighted by any studio. Thus far, there's no news on whether it ever will be; it's pretty much languishing in limbo.

[GeneChing]

What about the kung fu? (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=309)

[ghthomason]

Actually, the next Batman movie coming out is Batman vs. Superman. I think it's already in pre-production.

I like brown women, but J-Lo doesn't do it for me.

DD was alright. I wouldn't pay to see it again, though.

I panned both LotR movies myself. Nothing too original in them. Once The Matrix sequels come out, people will forget all about LotR and gay little hobbits. The true test of a great movie is when other people try to imitate or pun on it. How many movies have you seen with Matrix references? Now, how many times do you think LotR references will be seen in other movies?


[clears throat]

Tolkien fans, who are they?
Pasty white boys with hearts a-flame
for hairy-footed midgets with bright wide eyes
inviting other hairy-fotted midgits to sit by their side.

And why do these midgits run from an eye
that from all appearances looks like a vagina?
Is it because they fear the power of the ring?
Or is it because they have a secret to keep?

They hope against hope and try as they might
to keep the "ring" out of the vagina's sight.
They are afraid to be married, for that's what a ring symbolizes
to all the women running around offering vaginas

But gay little hobbits want none of that mess
they'd rather run dirty fingers across bare, broad chests
and rub hairy feet by the light of a fire
and speak in veiled hints of their latent desires.

And does it really come as a great surprise
when Frodo puts on the ring and vanishes from sight?
Like a freshly-wed man who can no longer play
with his bachelor friends on their bachelor days.

And what of the others who aid in his quest?
do they run from the vagina with the same zest?
It's true that the others are running away
but more out of sport, not because they are gay.

Legolas and Aragorn like the hunt and the chase
they run from the vagina as part of the game
They like vaginas so much they won't settle for one,
but for gay little hobbits, vaginas are no fun.

They want to destroy the ring and all for which it stands
so that a vagina may not touch any hobbit hands
or vice versa, for that matter, and that's really the point
what need is a vagina when Hobbit men are so cute?

[rogue]

Gene, I thought the fight scenes were better than most. I also like how Yuen had Affleck use his cain alot rather than just go hand to hand all the time. Jennifer Garner was very cool as Electra even though she didn't look very Greek. The movie isn't Gone with the Wind but it was a very good adaptation of a comic book to the screen.

[Chang Style Novice]

Ha! The Matrix is pure nerdball wish fulfillement power fantasy gobbledegook with a thin, transparent veneer of stoner 'philosophy.' Other films have been imitating the special effects of the Matrix, not the substance. Why? Because there is no substance, Keanu! Whoah.

On the other hand, Tolkien's books are the inspiration for an entire cottage industry of (mostly crappy, I'll admit) fantasy novels. The imitators of LotR came out years before LotR did, in the form of Dungeons and Dragons: the Movie, Dragonheart, Dragonslayer, Reign of Fire, Star Wars trilogy, etc. etc. etc. And yes, there will be more.

And for a Matrix fan using gay as an insult...well, just count how many times Neo got 'penetrated' in the Matrix if you're interested in ****erotic subtext.

[ghthomason]

On the other hand, Tolkien's books are the inspiration for an entire cottage industry of (mostly crappy, I'll admit) fantasy novels. The imitators of LotR came out years before LotR did, in the form of Dungeons and Dragons: the Movie, Dragonheart, Dragonslayer, Reign of Fire, Star Wars trilogy, etc. etc. etc. And yes, there will be more.

Books. Books.

Not the movies.

The Matrix appealed to a tech-savy audience that already felt different and distant from reality. It struck a chord with a generation of computer-using geeks.

And as far as Star Wars is concerned, I wouldn't list Tolkien as an inspiration. They were both working from the same Celtic oral traditions, but I would say they are unrelated. Read Iron John or Hero with a Thousand Faces sometime.

The movies had a chance to offer something new, but they didn't. I can quote many lines from Conan the Barbarian. I can't think of a single quote in either LOTR movies that makes any sense outside the context of the movies. (Except of course, the one about little people changing the world).

And you can't deny the ****eroticism of LOTR. I read in Premeire that there is a gay scene in the books that was cut out of the movie scripts where Sam keeps trying 'touch" Frodo.

I'm not saying it's wrong. But it is obvious.

[Chang Style Novice]

Well, the first movie only came out a little over a year ago - there hasn't been much in the way of 'quotes' of say - the Balrog scene in that time because it's harder to shoehorn an underground battle into an existing plot than it is a hovering rotating freezy frame of a front kick. I said there would be more imitators, and I'm sure there will be. Of the movies, when the time has elapsed to permit such a thing.

I'm curious what you think the movies might have offered in terms of 'something new' when they are an adaptation of a fifty or sixty year old work that is itself firmly in the tradition of the world's oldest literature.

The theme of little people changing the world is indeed the most relevant part of the LotR, along with the corrupting nature of power - most of the other stuff implicit in the storyline I don't really care for. The emphasis on kings and pure blood and noble birth and so on strikes me as elitist in the worst way. Even Frodo is a landed gentry type among hobbits, and Sam is his devoted crush...uh, I mean servant and companion.

As for quotability of one-liners - who cares? There's nothing interesting about "there is no spoon" or "I know kung fu" that lasts for more than a couple of minutes. One is asinine, the other is laughable. Not much to be proud of there.

And heck yah there's gay subtext in LotR, especially between the Hobbits. It's just that I don't find gay subtext reason to be dismissive of anything.

Oh yeah, Daredevil. To stay on topic, I'm still not interested in it.

[Design Sifu]

Moreso 'cause I saw it for free....

Much truer to the mythos than I expected. Where it veared it help tighten the internal logic for the film... in much the same way Spiderman's web shooters worked.
Almost too similar to BATMAN in some ways... not always good.

Bullseye was GREAT!!! his best line...
"I want a costume too!!!"

Ben did a suitable MATT MURDOCK, though the movie should've spent more time in the courtroom.
Foggy Nelson was awesome also!!!
and a nice camio from "Karen Page" :D

KINGPIN was excellent but thoroughly underused.

The KUNGFU was good fun, stayed fairly true to the charactor, using the billy club and such. Also some creative use of the Blind Kungfu and use of abilities.

Tons of tidbits for comic readers... Stan Lee makes his appearance as usual :) funny name droping and a cameo by Kevin Smith & FRANK MILLER!!!

The movie should have stayed rated R though... but ultimatley unrealisitic eh? Wasn't to fond of the soundtrack though.... too MTV?

Fair treatment of Elektra I suppose, lame costume. I liked how beatened & bruised DD ended up... Nice use of FX, to visualize DD's radar as well as his movement hrough the city...

They should totally do a Spiderman meets Daredevil movie!!! :p

BTW... there are 3 Batman projects in the works...

YEAR ONE with FRANK MILLAR & Aronofsky.

and BATMAN vs. SUPERMAN as well as BATMAN 5 with "Memento" and "Insomnia" director Chris Nolan.

BTW... the Preview for X2 Loooks BAD @SS!!!! :eek:

[The Willow Sword]

Well i went to go see it this weekend despite my insticts to just stay away from it. Being a die hard but not obsessive comic book fan i am always skeptical of comics made in to motion picture.

Well what can i say about daredevil? I thought that the character developement SUCKED,,,with exception to afflecks character. the supporting cast SUCKED.

Two Major inconsistancies i noted.

1. The KingPin, in the comics, was a real bad and sinister and HUGE white dude. we have micheal clark duncan playing the role.
now i am not a racist by an means,,i just wish that these directors would remain consistant and ACCURATE to the portrayel of these characters ESPECIALLY the villians. Clarks role whereas he was big and i m sure they couldnt find a big enough white dude to play the role(for accuracy) really didnt intimidate me at all. i went in expecting to be really impressed by the king pin as i was in the comics and was VERY dissapointed. Clarke wasnt sinister enough or in my opinion played the role well at all. its not a black and white thing at all,,its a character thing. if clark had really put some villiany in to the role he might have been able to do the king pin of the comics justice regardless of accuracy of looks and such.

2. Electra: electra was my favorite female comic character in the marvel genre' and they made her out to be this little priss who had alittle bit of fighting talent,,that was NOT her charatcer in the comics at all. ELECTRA was an Amer/asian woman with long JET BLACK hair and was not an easy woman to hurt at all. her focus was the KINGPIN in the comics. and they had to KILL her off in the first movie? that was equally dissapointing as it was depressing.

fight scenes: too fast and choppy,,(they SUCKED). these actors need to take some lessons from jacky chan or jet li or somethin to better portray the vigilante good guy and the bad guy villians.
and get in to better shape for it.

Bullseye: WTF????? huh? whu??? thats all im gonna say about that. Collin farrel is a bettr "Recruit" than he is a villian.

Over all the movie was entertaining to some degree,,but hardly comparable to the XMEN or Spider man ,,and whereas there was some weaknesses in those two movies they were still great to watch and the developement of the charatcers was good.

i anxiously await XMEN2(seen the trailers,,looks awesome)
and one of my other favorite comic characters the HULK,,from what i can tell of the trailers to the HULK it looks to be just as interesting if probably not BETTER than what we have seen with daredevil,,and in the past when they have made "the Punisher"
and of course hahah "Batman" which is DC comics and DC comics SUCK. heh heh.
anyway theres my take on it guys. waddaya think am i critic material,,have a found my new calling?
MRTWS

[ghthomason]

Dude,

Elektra didn't die. Didn't you notice she left DD a brail charm at the end of the movie?

[Black Jack]

Daredevil, again which I thought was a excellent movie, showed much more respect for the source material than did Spider-Man, an example would be that spider man never had organic web shooters.

Garner was solid as Elecktra, her acting was much better than any of the other female leads I have seen in superhero movies so far, her fight scene was dark and nasty, and I can see why she is going to get a spin-off movie.

The movie-fu was also cool, a nice blend of different smash mouth elements, stickfighting, flexible weapons, cane, projecticles, tons of superhero gymnastics.

I am looking forward to the next batch of marvel flicks in 04 and 05. Hulk, X2, Hellboy, Ghost Rider, Werewolf by Night, Dr. Strange, Punisher, and Iron Man by New Line.

As well as DD2 and the Elecktra spin-off. I just wish they would come out with a Avengers movie

[Design Sifu]

Well, she could have left that good luck charm in place before she got herself killed...

Besides, How are they going to have the HAND resurrect her as their undead ninja Assassin if she isn't already dead? :p

[KC Elbows]

That's lame. IMO, the death of electra issue was the high point of the Miller Daredevil issues, and bringing her back was only cool because of stick and shaft and the rest of the characters the ninja characters in that series, which still didn't make it nearly as good as the issue where Bullseye killed her. That was like the pinnacle of Miller Daredevil.

Lame that the movie should follow suit. However, I'll still see it, because it's got the three characters and might have a moment or two from that issue(#181, to show my geekhood).

[KC Elbows]

Sorry, one of the two pinnacles of Miller Daredevil: the one where Bullseye's tumor has him seeing Daredevil's everywhere is great as well. The first adult oriented comic I ever read. I can still picture bullseye going nuts on the folk on the street.

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Other films have been imitating the special effects of the Matrix, not the substance.

Which, incidentally, Blade did most of first.

[Design Sifu]

Daredevil's worth seeing... it was great fun & I loved seeing it onscreen.

Excellent Design as well... and some cool extras ala organic webspinners.

I was actually Shocked that they took the storyline as far as Elektra's death. I figured if anything they would finght, she would get slapped down and goe off to (Leaving DD behind) learn how to become a better assassin.

Still ton's of little tidbits for the devoted reader... Keep an eye out for "swing" scenes nicked directly from pin-up art and various issues

they did the same thing with Spiderman... wonder how many noticed the differences between the Macfarlinesque, Romatiaesque and Ditkoesque swings presented as continual sequences...

[GeneChing]

....would analyze at spiderman swings while other talk about j-lo.
I'm looking forward to seeing Jennifer Garner on the big screen. I've been a fan of hers from Alias. She's one of the few fight scene queens that looks somewhat convincing in battle. Buffy always looked like she was going to break her wrist when she punched...

[Surferdude]

Anybody see it, I just saw it... it had some crazy fight scenes, and a crazy hot chick kicking ass..... wait she died never mind:o :D :p

[PHILBERT]

*sigh*, I hate how everyone says "She died."


SHE DID NOT DIE.


Remember when he meets her, he asks about her necklace and she says its a good luck charm and he asks if they make them in brail. At the end of the movie, he finds a necklace at his favorite spot on the building, written in BRAIL. She lived. Not to mention they are talking about making a spin off movie starring her.

[KungFuGuy!]

I can't accept that this movie is popular. It's one of the biggest pieces of trash that I've payed $8.50 to see.

[Surferdude]

Originally posted by PHILBERT
*sigh*, I hate how everyone says "She died."


SHE DID NOT DIE.


Remember when he meets her, he asks about her necklace and she says its a good luck charm and he asks if they make them in brail. At the end of the movie, he finds a necklace at his favorite spot on the building, written in BRAIL. She lived. Not to mention they are talking about making a spin off movie starring her.

Oh yea i forgot about the necklace!!!
And kung fu guy you got ripped off!!!!!:D :p :o

[Design Sifu]

well... she could've hung that necklace up in that spot at any time before her "death" ... beside how are they going to resurect her as an undead Ninja assassin if she wasn't killed?

you'know there's another thread about this floating 'round somewhere...

[doug maverick]

why did they do it? why? They forgot a key part of the story mainly DD mentor and martial arts teacher "Stick" the guy who tought him how to use the cane and flipping around and all the other ninja stuff without him the story or rather the parts when he's jumping from buildings make no sence!!!!!

[Surferdude]

Yea i was wonderin how the hell he could do all that MA stuff.....
They didn't say he was trained in the movie.. and when he fights the girl(forgot her name) he uses all these moves... pretty crazy.........:confused: :(

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by Design Sifu
well... she could've hung that necklace up in that spot at any time before her "death" ... beside how are they going to resurect her as an undead Ninja assassin if she wasn't killed?

you'know there's another thread about this floating 'round somewhere...

Well, it would had to of been done pretty fast tossing that necklace there, considering when he told her, that night he boinked her, then the next night she was "killed" by Bullseye. And we know how fast women are at shopping.

[Design Sifu]

After they initially ... "boinked" there was some down time where he & foggy hung out & then he recieved an invite via mail.

You've got to consider that even if she got up the next day & had that invite made up and mailed out there's at least one day inbetween. mail takes what 3 days to deliver? I figured there was about a week between their first meeting and her death... but that's me.

I like that it's left uncertain weither she lives or died.

Consider also that in the Comic "stick" was introduced well into the comic run. Before that, it was explained that he trained on his own and his supersences enabled him to develop advanced fighting abilities, as was indicated durring his "growing-up" sequence.

If they added stick that would have been a whole other charactor to introduce, better to introduce him in contrast to the HAND as was done in the comic.

[quiet man]

Originally posted by Design Sifu
Consider also that in the Comic "stick" was introduced well into the comic run. Before that, it was explained that he trained on his own and his supersences enabled him to develop advanced fighting abilities, as was indicated durring his "growing-up" sequence.

If they added stick that would have been a whole other charactor to introduce, better to introduce him in contrast to the HAND as was done in the comic.

I haven't seen it yet... have to wait for two more weeks here.

But I have suspicions about Ben Affleck as Matt Murdock. Ben is cool or at least believes himself to be, whereas Matt isn't; not in the traditional sense anyway. He's just a man, filled with doubts and fears, and superheroes aren't supposed to be just men. James Spader (few years younger) - much better choice...
Jennifer Garner on the other hand... oh la la.

My fellow comic conaisseur Design Sifu ;) is right about Stick. Too much work for just one movie. Still... it would've been nice, seeing him and his disciples Stone, Star, Wing and all the others. Maybe in the sequel...

[PHILBERT]

The movie as is was almost 2 hours in length, so if they introduced Stick it would of been way longer more than likely. Or they could of done it like in the Spider-Man TV show:

Matt has his super senses but doesn't know how to use them and almost gets run over (again) by a truck until Stick saves him. Cut to about 5 minutes of showing Matt and Stick training showing him how to fight, boom Stick is in the movie.

[Aren]

*Major Spoiler*

Actually Elecktra did die, according to the DD comics he tells to a friend how the woman he loved died bleeding to his arms when Bullseye killed her. The necklace was there because she A) either left it there or B) we'll see in the directors cut how she'll return to the roof to leave it there.

Also the Elecktra movie spin off that is in production is going to take place before the real events of DD or during the same time. Either way, we'll probably see in that how she learned all the martial art moves in her early adulthood.

Bullseye on the other hand didn't die, if you waited in the theaters so that the first part of the credits end, you'll see a final scene in which Bullseye is in a total body cast in a guarded hospital wing and how a bothering fly meets it's doom when bullseye gets his hand on a syring.

Personally I thought that Daredevil was a very good adaptation of a very good comic and that it beat last summers Spiderman silly. When the movie got darker and the themes more adult like (Spider man was a childrens movie no matter how you look at it) the movie got better. I thought that the best part in the movie was when bullseye throws electras dagger back at her and just when you think that she's going to catch it, it pierces her hand. It comes to the viewer totally unexpecetetly and really makes and impact.

Hopefully the sequel to Daredevil will be as good. I think that Ben Affleck is excellent as DD.

[Design Sifu]

I alway imagined ERIK STOLTZ as the perfect Dardevil...

Aside from being a redhead he's a great actor and would add a real sence of believability to Matt Murdock's generally wounded aura... the guy's been through hell and is constantly on the edge of coping with it...

Afflick was a bit tooo cool in that sence. I wish the director would have put more effort into getting a performace that would visually indicate that Matt Murdock & Dardevil lived in a world very different than ours... what do I mean?

well for DD more fighting where he can used a sort of 360 degree vision. Hitting people behing him with out looking, throwing the billy club and having it bounch around hitting people and them him catching it again with out looking.

For Matt, it would have to be more subtle, subtlying indicating his sence of smell or hearing as he moves around... still I like the movie & I'm all for the Comic to film trend that's going on...

Bullet Proof Monk next...

then
X-MEN 2... which I predict will be THE BOMB!!!