Nature Fist????

[dre_doggX]

Does anyone know of this still, one of my friends does it. does anyone know of its history and its relation to Shaolin.
does it have any taoist roots???

[NorthernShaolin]

Do you mean Natural Boxing or otherwise known as Spontaneous Boxing?

[ghthomason]

Ziran Men (nature Chuan) was created by Dwarf Xu of Sichuan Province in the late years of the Qing Dynasty. Xu's style of Chuan was standardized by Du Xinwu of Cili County of Hunan Province. Du followed Xu for eight years to learn the nature Chuan and came to understand the essence and secrets of the martial arts.

Nature boxers do not pursue tricks nor do they emphasize mastery of unique skills. Instead, they pay attention to tempering the mind, spirit and air flows inside the body and to the good application of eyesight, fist plays, footwork and movements of the body. They can fight their opponents with whichever part of their body they see fit and they can even launch attacks in situations which others would think impossible.

They believe that to practise combative basics is to practise breathing and vice versa. The mind guides the flow of air inside their bodies and when the mind reaches a certain point so does the air flow, and when the mind stops so do the movements. All movements follow the natural feeling and thinking. When nature boxers play lightly they are also steady and when they play heavily they are not clumsy. The hands are played along a straight line and fist plays are so fast that others cannot see them during a bout. There is hardness in the suppleness and vice versa.

Nature Chuan is now practised in Fujian and Hunan provinces of China.

[Sho]

That seems a bit contradictory to taijiquan. Or, I might be completely missing the point about Ziranmen's conceptions on thinking.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

ZiRanMen is about teaching intelligent instinct. The nervous system is 4 times faster than the mind, and our body knows where it is and what it's supposed to be doing way better than we think it does. ZiRanMen trains us to let our being act instinctively yet intelligently, without using our minds, by applying training methodologies which make combat as natural and unconscious as breathing.

[HuangKaiVun]

The great master Wan Lai Shen was Du Xing Wu's top student.

Before coming to Tsuranmen, Wan was a master of 6 Harmony Lohan Fist.

Doubtless, Tsuranmen in its present incarnation was heavily influenced by the pugilistic Wan.

Tsuranmen, from what I've seen, has all the martial characteristics of a legitimate "Nei Jia" art. The footwork, the circlewalks, the simple motions that add up to bigger ones, the emphasis on certain forms of breathing and body conditioning - all are hallmarks of true "Nei Jia" systems.

Taijiquan lacks the traits I mentioned above, which is why I feel that Taiji does NOT fall into the true "Nei Jia" classification. But that's just my own personal view.

[GeneChing]

Ziranmen is now being practiced in the Fujian (southern) Shaolin temple, but I haven't been there myself yet so I don't know for sure.

[HuangKaiVun]

In New York City, Sifu Tony Chen advertises himself as teaching "Tsuranmen Qigong".

When I visited DaChengDao (from this forum), I should've asked more about Sifu Chen. However, my time was limited.

Chen also teaches the 6-Harmony Lohan system, to my knowledge. He's the only person I know of in this country who teaches Wan Lai Shen's Tsuranmen and 6-harmony.

If you live in France, check out the acupuncturist and Chinese medicinalist Serge Augier, who learned Tsuranmen from Wan's disciple.

Augier has the full knowledge of the system, it seems.

[illusionfist]

There is also Liu De Ming in Australia for those looking into Chi Yin Mun (Zi Ran Men). Liu learned from Hong Cheng Fu and also had the chance to study under Wan when he was younger. Liu's website is www.ziranmen.com for those interested in any info.

Peace :D