How Many Hakka Systems Have You Herd Of ?

[FIRE HAWK]

How Many Hakka systems have you herd of like Chu Gar , Chow Gar, Jook Lum, Iron Ox Southern Mantis , Hakka Lee Gar , Hakka Unicorn style , Hakka Snake system , Hakka Ying Jow system , even Chuka Shaolin Phoenix Eye Fist has been called a Hakka Dragon System or part Chu Gar Southern Mantis .

[Shaolin Master]

Too many :)

[FIRE HAWK]

I would like to here the names of them it would be very interesting ?

[Shaolin Master]

Lei Ga Gao, Lum Ga Gao, Ju Ga Gao(2 one from ShanTou and another from Meizhou regions), Ji Ga Gao, laumunPai (hakka branch), kunlunpai, ChongGaGao, ChowGaGao.........then there are the BakMei, LongYing, otherNamtonglongs, etc......

[BearBear]

Phillip Lam of New Zealand teaches Lee Ga Gao also a hakka style though he is heavily into muay thai the last 10 or so years .. "father of nz muay thai" i think he still techers some dedicated students the fighting art of lee ga gao (not related to lee ga nan tong long)

anyone else have information on lee ga gao

or any of the other styles mentioned?

[Shaolin Master]

I have information on all the arts I mentioned. What would you like to know?

[meltdawn]

Shaolin Master,

I would be interested in hearing your experiences of Lau Mun Gao.

Are you in China for an extended period?

[GeneChing]

Hakka (or karjia in pinyin) literally means "guest clan." I've heard Hakka compared to gypsies in old Europe, but I don't think that is fair since it implies nomadic behavior that is exists but is not universal amongst hakka. In Cantonese, it often refers to a select immigrant minority that spoke a specific dialect termed hakka. But in more a general sense, all immigrants are considered karjia, so this can be a real sticky question. In Taiwan for example, there were two waves of karjia - one being the classical hakka speakers that we generally think of when we use the term hakka, but then there was another one, refugees from the fallen Ming dynasty back in the 1600's. They are still consided karjia, even though they don't speak hakka (they adopted the local dialect called minnan to escape persecution.) Their dominent styles were qinxi tang and taizu changquan. This same notion can be loosley applied to all immigrants, which opens the door to stuff like Indonesian Kuntao being a hakka style (Kuntao is a derivation of the Cantonese Kuen Do "fist way" pinyin quan dao.) It's quite the pandora's box...

[FIRE HAWK]

In the Tuttle dictionary of martial arts Chuka Shaolin Phoenix Eye Fist is listed as being called Jyu Ga i wonder if this Ju Ga Gao that is mentioned is the same as Chuka Shaolin ?

[5thBrother]

TTT

for anything/everything interesting with "Hakka Arts"??

[wu-ji]

Kun Tao is Minan (Hokkian)'s term for Quan Dao. Some of Indonesian "Kuntao" are Hokkian, some are Hakka. It depends on the area. Some still have traceable lineages to China, some have been in the country for too long time and might evolve and adapt to the local needs.

The traceable lineages go to Wuzuquan, Nan Taizuquan, Baihequan, Nan Tanglangquan, etc.

West Borneo is big in Hakka population and hence Hakka arts are common there.

In places like North Sumatera, Jakarta, and Central Java, it is more southern Fujian, the Wuzu and Taizu are strongly Taizu oriented.

In East Java, it is big in Fuqing's population and the Wuzu and Baihe are more Fuzhou Baihequan oriented.

Of course, this is a generalization and not strict.

In addition, the teachers often do not reveal the lineage until the students are rather advanced. This is to avoid the wrong usage of lineage's name. Hence, the generic name, "kuntao", is used.

[Fu-Pau]

The All Black Haka is the best and most feared. Fact. ;)

[Nicrimo]

are there rare and old hakka styles? and what are their names?