Kill Bill: Tarintino's take on Kungfu

[Design Sifu]

Well here's a preview (http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/kill_bill_large.html) for You all...

[Abstract]

no mi gusta!!:( :(


i can't stand uma thurman...and CARRADINE TOO?!?!!!?? oh boy...

[doug maverick]

what do they do this that crap sucked, from a film student point of view some of the angles were hot. from a martial artist point of view i'm ****ed he just stereotyped all of the martial arts into one big peace of trash.

[Design Sifu]

didn't he sterotype all Blackploitation films in Jackie Brown as well?

[TaoBoy]

It's all tongue in cheek.
Jackie Brown was intentionally over the top blaxplotation.
Kill Bill is the same, an over the top homage to kung fu flicks.

[Design Sifu]

Quintin talks about the flick here... (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=188)

[Chang Style Novice]

"Jackie Brown was intentionally over the top blaxplotation."

WHAAAAAA?!

Could you elaborate on this? I couldn't disagree more. I think Jackie Brown is Tarantino's most layered, realistically acted and plotted, compassionate work to date.

[SanSoo Student]

The movie looks too over-dramatic and FAKE!!
LET HONG KONG PEOPLE WORK THEIR MAGIC!!

[David Jamieson]

Uma Thurman as Bruce Lee in his game of death speed racer jammies!

c'mon! are ya with me here? can I get a witness? hello.

jackie brown was as deep and heartfelt a film as one could get...compared to jaws that is :D

cheers

[Mizong_Kid]

david carradine.......please! isnt he some out-dated old crummy western actor.....is his kung fu even any good....i doubt it!


people in hollywood dont know good kung fu flix.if it wasnt for yuen wo ping the place wud be a shambles!

[SirenOfAcreLane]

That looks like it'll be a fun film. Especially with Tarantino handling the script.

[David Jamieson]

david carradine.......please! isnt he some out-dated old crummy western actor.....is his kung fu even any good....i doubt it!

people in hollywood dont know good kung fu flix.if it wasnt for yuen wo ping the place wud be a shambles!

on the first point, the carradines have been around forever. THe joke is that he was Caine in the old Kungfu and new kungfu television series. I laughed when I saw him in the trailer and right there and then, I knew this would be worth a look.

On the second point, yuen wo ping is a ma choreographer and has little to do with actual film making and direction of cinematography, so, if not for Ang Lee, the genre would not be taken seriously as an art form and QT wouldn't be reintroducing and remaking a lot of the chop sockey flicks.

further to the second point. a lot of teh old shaw movies and other chop sockey flicks while fun and entertaining were campy and technically, they were poorly made. So, to have them revisited and distilled by the talents that do live in Cali, that's some kind of new breath of life to this genre and will make a huge difference ultimately on how Kungfu is regarded by the general populace.

In short, It's a good thing!!!

cheers

[Chang Style Novice]

Minor nitpick -

Yuen Wo Ping has directed a passel of excellent kick flicks, and deserves respect as a director in his own right.

Yuen Wo Ping's imdb.com page. (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Yuen,+Woo-ping) Note that among the shows he directed, there include the classics Iron Monkey, Tai Chi Master, Legend of a Fighter, Drunken Master, Snake In Eagle's Shadow, Magnificent Butcher, Dreadnaught, Drunken Tai Chi, Wing Chun, In the Line of Duty 4, and Last Hero in China.

In fact, I'm upgrading this post from 'minor nitpick' to 'hire a fact checker' - the dude is a legend!

[David Jamieson]

ok, well, I'll nit pick back then.

Yuen Wo Ping never "directed" a "film" in his career.

He "directed" action and choreography. Big difference there csn :D

He hasn't been behind a camera though simply because that isn't his area of expertise. Martial arts is his game and on it, he's built his name.

cheers

[Chang Style Novice]

Click that imdb link before you go saying that. Read the whole thing. He has directed 27 films. I'm not sure what your scare quotes are meant to imply. If he didn't direct the films he's credited with directing, who did?

[David Jamieson]

csn - your link clearly states he was the "action director" not the director of cinematography. these are two different vocations in the art of making film.

scare quotes? :D what the heck does that mean? "?" "?"

cheers

[Laughing Cow]

Director - filmography
(1990s) (1980s) (1970s)

1. Jie tou sha shou (1996)
... aka Iron Monkey 2 (1996)
2. Tai ji quan (1996)
... aka Tai Chi Boxer (1996) (Hong Kong: English title) (UK: literal English title)
... aka Tai Chi 2 (1996)
... aka Tal Chi Chun (1996) (USA)
3. Hu meng wei long (1995)
... aka Red Wolf, The (1995)
4. Huo yun chuan qi (1994)
... aka Fiery Dragon Kid, The (1994)
... aka Fiery Romance (1994)
... aka Fire Dragon (1994)
... aka Fo wan jun kei (1994)
5. Yong Chun (1994)
... aka Wing Chun (1994) (USA)
6. Su qi er (1993)
... aka Hero Among Heroes (1993)
... aka Heroes Among Heroes (1993)
7. Tai ji zhang san feng (1993)
... aka Tai-Chi (1993)
... aka Tai-Chi Master, The (1994) (Hong Kong: English title)
... aka Twin Warriors (2000) (USA: DVD title)
8. Wong Fei-hung chi tit gai dau neung gung (1993)
... aka Claws of Steel (1993) (UK)
... aka Deadly China Hero (1993) (USA)
... aka Huang Fei-Hong zhi tie ji dou wu gong (1993) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
... aka Iron Rooster Vs. the Centipede (1993)
... aka Last Hero in China (1993)
... aka Tie ji dou wu gong (1993)
... aka Wong Fei Hong's Iron Rooster vs. centipide (1993) (Hong Kong: informal title English title)
9. Siunin Wong Fei-hung tsi titmalau (1993)
... aka Iron Monkey (1993) (USA)
... aka Iron Monkey: The Young Wong Fei Hong (1993)
... aka Shao nian Huang Fei-Hong zhi tie ma liu (1993) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
10. Leng mian ju ji shou (1991)
... aka Tiger Cage 3 (1991)
11. Xi hei qian (1990)
... aka Tiger Cage (1990) (UK)
... aka Tiger Cage 2 (1990)
... aka Washing Dirty Money (1990)

12. Huang jia shi jie zhi IV: Zhi ji zheng ren (1989)
... aka In the Line of Duty (1989) (UK: video title)
... aka In the Line of Duty 4: Witness (1989)
... aka In the Line of Duty IV (1989)
... aka Witness (1989)
... aka Yes, Madam 4 (1989)
13. Te jing tu long (1988)
... aka Sure Fire (1988) (UK: video title)
... aka Tiger Cage (1988)
14. Jiang shi pa pa (1986)
... aka Close Encounters of Vampire, The (1986)
... aka Dragon Vs. Vampire (1986)
15. Qing feng di shou (1985)
... aka Mismatched Couples (1985)
16. Xiao tai ji (1984)
... aka Drunken Tai-Chi (1984)
... aka Laughing Tai Chi (1984)
... aka Tai Chi Master (1984) (USA: video title)
17. Tian shi zhuang xie (1983)
... aka Shaolin Drunkard (1983)
... aka Wu Tang Master (1983) (Canada: video title English title)
18. Huo Yuan-Jia (1982)
... aka Legend of a Fighter (1982)
19. Oriental Voodoo (1982)
20. Qi men dun jia (1982)
... aka Miracle Fighters (1982)
21. Long fa wei (1981)
... aka Exciting Dragon (1981)
22. Yong zhe wu ju (1981)
... aka Dreadnaught (1981)
... aka Dreadnought (1981)
23. Fo Zhang luo han quan (1980)
... aka Buddhist Fist, The (1980)

24. Lin shi rong (1979)
... aka Magnificent Butcher (1979)
... aka Ren zhe wu di (1979)
25. Nan bei zui quan (1979)
... aka Dance of the Drunk Mantis (1979)
... aka Drunken Master Part 2 (1979) (Hong Kong: English title)
26. She xing diao shou (1978)
... aka Bruce Vs. Snake in Eagle's Shadow (1978)
... aka Eagle's Shadow, The (1978)
... aka Snake in the Eagle's Shadow (1978)
... aka Way of the Cat (1978) (USA)
27. Zui quan (1978)
... aka Challenge (1978) (India: English title)
... aka Drunken Master (1978)
... aka Drunken Monkey in the Tiger's Eyes (1978)
... aka Eagle Claw, Snake Fist, Cat's Paw, Part 2 (1978)


There is a lot more info towards the bottom of the loong list.

From what I see there I have to agree with CSN and his statement.

[David Jamieson]

this is a list of films yuen wo ping has contributed.


Matrix Revolutions, The (2003) (action choreographer)
Kill Bill (2003) (fight choreographer: Kung Fu)
Matrix Reloaded, The (2003) (action choreographer)
Black Mask 2: City of Masks (2001) (action director) (martial arts director)
... aka Hak hap 2 (2003) (Hong Kong: Cantonese title)
... aka Hei xia 2 (2003) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
Matrix Revisited, The (2001) (V) (special thanks) (as Master Yuen Wo Ping)
Shu shan zheng zhuan (2001) (martial arts director)
... aka Legend of Zu, The (2001) (Hong Kong: English title)
... aka Zu Warriors (2001) (USA: dubbed version)
Wo hu cang long (2000) (action choreographer) (as Wo Ping Yuen) (action director)
... aka Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000) (USA)
... aka Gua hu chang long (2000)
... aka Ngo foo chong lung (2000) (Hong Kong: Cantonese title)
... aka Wo hu cang long (2000) (China: Mandarin title)
... aka Wo hu chang long (2000)


Matrix, The (1999) (kung fu choreographer)
Jie tou sha shou (1996) (action director) (as Yuen Ho Ping)
... aka Iron Monkey 2 (1996)
Tai ji quan (1996) (action director)
... aka Tai Chi Boxer (1996) (Hong Kong: English title) (UK: literal English title)
... aka Tai Chi 2 (1996)
... aka Tal Chi Chun (1996) (USA)
Hak hap (1996) (action director)
... aka Black Mask (1996) (International: English title)
Hu meng wei long (1995) (martial arts director)
... aka Red Wolf, The (1995)
Jing wu ying xiong (1994) (action director) (fight choreographer)
... aka Fist of Legend (2001) (International: English title)
Yong Chun (1994) (action choreographer) (action director)
... aka Wing Chun (1994) (USA)
Wong Fei-hung chi tit gai dau neung gung (1993) (action director) (martial arts director)
... aka Claws of Steel (1993) (UK)
... aka Deadly China Hero (1993) (USA)
... aka Huang Fei-Hong zhi tie ji dou wu gong (1993) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
... aka Iron Rooster Vs. the Centipede (1993)
... aka Last Hero in China (1993)
... aka Tie ji dou wu gong (1993)
... aka Wong Fei Hong's Iron Rooster vs. centipide (1993) (Hong Kong: informal title English title)
Siunin Wong Fei-hung tsi titmalau (1993) (martial arts director)
... aka Iron Monkey (1993) (USA)
... aka Iron Monkey: The Young Wong Fei Hong (1993)
... aka Shao nian Huang Fei-Hong zhi tie ma liu (1993) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
Shuang long hui (1992) (action director)
... aka Brother Vs. Brother (1992)
... aka Double Dragon (1992)
... aka Duel of Dragons (1992)
... aka Twin Dragons (1992)
... aka Twin Dragons, The (1992)
... aka When Dragons Collide (1992)
Wong Fei-hung ji yi: Naam yi dong ji keung (1992) (action director)
... aka Huang Fei-hong zhi er nan er dang zi qiang (1992) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
... aka Once Upon a Time in China II (1992)
Wong Fei-hung (1991) (martial arts choreographer)
... aka Huang Fei-hong (1991) (Hong Kong: Mandarin title)
... aka Once Upon a Time in China (1991)


Qi men dun jia (1982) (action choreographer) (action director)
... aka Miracle Fighters (1982)


Lin shi rong (1979) (action director)
... aka Magnificent Butcher (1979)
... aka Ren zhe wu di (1979)
Nan bei zui quan (1979) (action director) (martial arts director)
... aka Dance of the Drunk Mantis (1979)
... aka Drunken Master Part 2 (1979) (Hong Kong: English title)
She xing diao shou (1978) (martial arts director)
... aka Bruce Vs. Snake in Eagle's Shadow (1978)
... aka Eagle's Shadow, The (1978)
... aka Snake in the Eagle's Shadow (1978)
... aka Way of the Cat (1978) (USA)
Tai ji qi gong (1978) (action director)
... aka Born Invincible (1978)
Zui quan (1978) (action director) (kung fu instructor)
... aka Challenge (1978) (India: English title)
... aka Drunken Master (1978)
... aka Drunken Monkey in the Tiger's Eyes (1978)
... aka Eagle Claw, Snake Fist, Cat's Paw, Part 2 (1978)
Shen tui tie shan gong (1977) (action director) (martial arts choreographer)
... aka Snuff Bottle Connection (1977)
Nan quan bei tui dou jin hu (1977) (action choreographer)
... aka Secret Rivals 2 (1977)
... aka Silver Fox Rivals II (1977) (USA: video title)
Instant Kung Fu Man, The (1977) (martial arts choreographer)
Lang bei wei jian (1974) (action choreographer) (action director)
... aka Conman and the Kung Fu Kid (1974)
... aka Dirty Partners (1974)
... aka From China with Death (1974)
... aka Wits to Wits (1974)
Shi po tian jian (1973) (action director)
... aka Awaken Punch, The (1973)
... aka Village on Fire (1973) (Hong Kong: English title)
Xiao za zhong (1973) (martial arts director)
... aka *******, The (1973)
Meng hu xia shan (1973) (martial arts director)
... aka Rage of Wind (1973) (Hong Kong: English title)
E hu kung long (1972) (martial arts director)
... aka Good and the Bad, The (1972) (Hong Kong: English title)
Dang kou tan (1972) (action director)
... aka Bloody Fist, The (1972)
... aka Bloody Fists, The (1972)
... aka Death Beach (1972)
Bi hu (1972) (martial arts director)
... aka Lizard, The (1972)
Feng kuang sha shou (1971) (martial arts director)

It was only nitpicking, and by nits I was refering to the difference between Director and Action Director. I would be the first one in line to say that Yuen wo ping has made a huge contribution here.

cheers

[Chang Style Novice]

Scare quotes only means that you're using the quotes for something besides an actual quotation. Usually, this means that whatever you are putting in quotes is something you mean to be inaccurate. As in: oh, so I'm a "nitpicker" am I?

Laughing Cow has already reproduced Yuen Wo-Ping's C.V. as a movie director. He is a better action director than movie director, it's true, but that doesn't diminish his achievements as a film director.

[TaoBoy]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
"Jackie Brown was intentionally over the top blaxplotation."

WHAAAAAA?!

Could you elaborate on this? I couldn't disagree more. I think Jackie Brown is Tarantino's most layered, realistically acted and plotted, compassionate work to date.

Layered, well acted...? Yes!
But it still bases itself shamelessly in the world of blaxploitation.

BTW - I think it's a great movie. :)

[David Jamieson]

well, shut my mouth :D

he did direct some films.

cheers

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Kung Lek
well, shut my mouth :D

he did direct some films.

cheers

Haha! Kung Lek is punked in Forum-Fu!

;)

[David Jamieson]

I personally feel that one of the best thing you can see in yourself is your own folly and mistakes.

:D

so, if I'm wrong, be sure to "punk" me off with a sense of assurity that I will do my best to find out where I went wrong and I will correct it.

cheers

[Design Sifu]

wel said Kung...

now can we get back to discussing Uma Thurman!!! :p

[norther practitioner]

In best Homer Simpson voice
"mmmmm Ummmaaaa"

[Chang Style Novice]

Her first name is Hindi for "Moon"

I'd like to see her moon.

Dangerous Liasons is a great movie.

[Serpent]

MmmmmMoooonThurrrmannn!

(There should be a drooling smilie).

[Kristoffer]

when I first heard of Kill Bill, I was excited. Now, after seeing that crappy trailer I wanna puke my ****ing brains out. You gotta give some creds for the bruce lee ****in overall on uma. funny **** right there, funny ****. :D But the rest, aaaw come on? I'm I suposed to be impressed? What I'm I stupid? Still, this is a very exciting movie year with lotta great movies comming out. X2, the hulk, LOTR 3 (ok officially next year but what the ****) Daredevil (even if I have low expectations and Bullseye look like a **** sucker) Oh, n Matrix how could I forget bout the matrix? Jesus ****ing christ, I'm tingeling all over

[yutyeesam]

What??!! No Samuel Jackson?!

From the trailer, this film looks like pure crap. But maybe it's fun crap. Whatever kind of crap it is, it will potentially be very good for the market of martial arts. More MA movies will be available & on sale and more people will have an interest in learning martial arts, at least for a little while.

So it follows, then, that Tarantino's next "homage" film should be combining the Blaxploitation and Martial arts genre...which means he should be casting Jim Kelly and Ron Van Clief soon. Either that or Sci Fi.

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[yutyeesam]

I wonder if Quentin has done any martial arts? When he talks, his hand gestures form resemblances of dragon and eagle claws!

What style would suit his body type? White Crane, maybe?

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[Design Sifu]

drunken style... :p

[yutyeesam]

More like Cocaine-Style! He's a spaz!:D