pi kaw/Pigua/Pek Kwar/axe hand/"monkey" style

[carly]

I am looking for a list of the forms in this style, in English and Chinese. Does anyone know of where one can be found?
I looked at the monkey king's site and there was no such list.
Also any sites with info about the style in general would be of great interest to me. Thanks.

[buddhapalm]

Hi Carly,

General forms:

http://www.chinesekungfuonline.com/english/learning.htm

Hand forms in chinese characters:

http://www.chinesekungfuonline.com/english/learning_fist.htm

Hope it helps

Buddhapalm

[carly]

So does that list in Chinese characters name all the system's hand forms?
Anyone read Chinese here?

[carly]

Can anyone here read chinese and translate the names of these hand forms into English? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[GeneChing]

We translated the lyrics of for forms that we produced into videos.
http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/tcck001.html
http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/tcck002.html
http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/tcck003.html
http://store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/tcck004.html
I think I posted a few on the Shaolin forum for the ones that overlapped with Bak Sil Lum forms. Might check the archives there - search BSL lyrics.

[carly]

Can anyone here read chinese and translate the names of these hand forms into English? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
http://www.chinesekungfuonline.com/...arning_fist.htm

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

you are a needy fu cker.

[carly]

about the style and UI'm determined to learn the names of the forms.
If that makes me a needy fu cker, ok.
For your part, you seem a bit (unnecessarily) rude.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

"you seem a bit (unnecessarily) rude"

.... yeah .....

[Shaolin Master]

I could translate but it seems odd!!! they don't seem to be forms as there are names of styles/systems and it seems to be a bag of mixed lollies with little cohesion : for example

Baguazhang
Xing Yi Quan
TaiJi Quan
Shaolin Quan
Mian Quan (Cotton Fist) :another name for taiji.
Yan Qing Quan : After the Hero Yan Qing
Mi Zong Quan (Lost Track Fist) : Another name for Yan Qing Quan.

Do thewriters of thesiteknowwhat they are writing.
etc...to me it seems meaningless and the assumption that they are forms is incorrect. Maybe find a clearer list.

[carly]

Interesting. Thank you so much for your help. I'm getting less curious about that style all the time.

[buddhapalm]

I am by no means very knowledgeable about this lineage of Tai Shing Pek Kwa. I have heard from people that Kan Tak Hoi, one of the founders/elders of the system traded forms with other stylists. In the article in Kung Fu Magazine delineating the techniques and history of "Wu Song Breaks Manacles Fist" form, they detail how the form was taught to Kan Tak Hoi by another exponent of the Wusong system. I may be off, but something like that.

So any diversity in the system may (or may not) come from trading of forms a few generations ago. I am sure someone here may know more about it.

I was told by a friend that that particular listing I gave you described "Wu Song Breaks Manacles" and "Erlang Quan" (Fist of Erlang God). These names also match with names of forms I practice. My Wu Song form bears no resemblance to theirs and I still need to see their ErLang Quan to compare.

Any further information would be interesting.

Cheers

Buddhapalm

[carly]

It does seem like there are maybe some other things added to the system, like a northern Shaolin/Long Fist element, as well as Pigua.

[JJMantis]

There are different uses of the word "form"

On the Tai Shing Pek Kwar page, the link says "hand forms". Looking at the still photos, obviously the usage is the "form" of the hand, not necessarily an entire form as in a series of moves.

Another use is for a short series of moves. As in "Tai Chi 24 forms".

These people, just like the Paulie Zink camp, are secretive about the actual monkey or "Tai Shing" part of the art. I doubt you would get a forms listing because of that, although they do share the Pek Kwar and other borrowed styles.

Hope this helps

[carly]

I was wondering about the tao lu or kune forms, the hand forms, of their pigua, not their secret monkey stuff.
I just wanted to see what their pi kwa had in common with the mainland and Taiwan schools of pi kwa.
I'm not interested in secretive, hyped stuff. Unforunately, I'm a grown up:)

[carly]

Does this mean you have to buy one of their tape series to get a reply? Anyone know?

[Richie]

It is true that Si Tai Gong Kan Tak Hoi learned other forms, but they are not really Tai Shing Pek Kwar. Si Gong Chan knows a lot of forms and techniques. A lot of it isn't TSPK, but he teaches it because he feels it helps the student.

[carly]

Wouldn't whatever he knew automatically become part of the system - he is the system at this point.
Are you one of his students?

[carly]

Can you name the Pek Kwar fist forms in the system?

[No_Know]

carly, I used Buddhapalm link to the page I think you were trying to present when you went Ahem.

There were thirty-nine phrases near the top. There were some framed images in two columns after that.

One called Shaolin Master said that there was:

Baguazhang
Xing Yi Quan
TaiJi Quan
Shaolin Quan
Mian Quan (Cotton Fist) :another name for taiji.
Yan Qing Quan : After the Hero Yan Qing
Mi Zong Quan (Lost Track Fist) : Another name for Yan Qing Quan.

I wondered which number phrase was each of these names...i.e. TaiJiQuan was the nineth phrase...

[carly]

the site doesn't seem to be active.
That seems to be a list of various styles rather than of forms.

[buddhapalm]

Hi Carly,
I was wondering why you wanted to know the listing of Pek Kwar forms ?

I myself wish to know too, just in the offchance that some of my forms are Pek Kwar forms, or shared forms of their school.

You know there is a listing of PekKwar (Pigua) forms on another site. Features Black Tiger Fist, Wind Demon Staff and others. Do you want me to find the link for you ?

I have had very little luck from TSPK site. Was told to buy the tapes and I can compare, otherwise no assistance really.

TSPK has two site, one is active and one inactive.

There are some Pigua VCD's available now from China. I purchased the Miao Dao and sampler ones. Looks like my Miao Dao routine a little. I am sure I have some PeKKwar/Pigua in my schools curriculum.

Cheers

Buddhapalm

[carly]

Yes, I'd like to see any links you can share - also, what is the address of the active tspk site?
I'm just curious about the style - it's a famous one, and now that we have the internet and a way to learn more about things that were once only as vague as rumors and legend, it's nice to be able to get some information from the authoritative source.

[buddhapalm]

Here is a little:

http://www.cyberkwoon.com/html/article.php?sid=188

Tongbei-pigua:

http://cclib.nsu.ru/projects/satbi/satbi-e/martart/wushu/moslems/pigua.html

I will try to find the active TSPK site a little later.

Isn't the net a great tool my friend.

Cheers

Buddhapalm

[carly]

and yes, I'd like the active pek kwar site's address, if there is one.

[buddhapalm]

I believe this is the active site:

http://www.taishingpekkwar.com/

Forgive me if its the wrong one.

Buddhapalm

[jmd161]

I had no problems reaching Grandmaster Chan or his son when i e-mailed them.I got a quick reply from Master Chan Kai Leung himself.This was either during their move to Canada or right before their move.

He never once told me i had to buy anything or needed to subcribe to anything either.He did suggest that i come to the school to learn Tai Shing Pek Kwar from he or his father if i wanted to seriously learn the system.He did'nt even mention the video learning course.He said because at this time there is no one approved by his father to teach TSPK in the U.S.Although he does have students in the U.S. they are not at the level to teach the system yet.You must first master Pek Kwar before you are taught the The Monkey System.

jeff:)

[No_Know]

Perhaps this link to interesting links. (http://www.tspk.com/english/fake_monkey_kungfu3.htm)

[carly]

a lot of energy or focus seems to go on this discrediting of lineages.

[No_Know]

But at the bottom are links to pek kwar and Tai S___ pek kwar.

It's not discrediting of the lineage. It's straightening out the Actual lineage. It is not saying Tai S___pek kwar is bad because the people talking are from that lineage. And supposedly the rightful say and are merely cleaning house in the public eye.~

Go to the bottom of the link there are two dark blue/purple links to that for which you've been asking.