In my Moy Yat VingTsun Book it says that Biu Gee is the same form as Sam Pai Fut

[FIRE HAWK]

In my Moy Yat Ving Tsun book it says that Biu Gee form is the same form called Sam Pai fut or ( Three Bows To the Buddha ) Sam Pai Fut is in Jee Shim Weng Chun what is the difference between these forms ?

[yuanfen]

Names can mislead you on content- a book by its cover or title.
In Buddhist practice sam pai fat is a frequent label for praying thrice to the buddha. Because of the dips/bows at the end of the biu jee- some have called that final section sam pai fat.
Golden rooster standing on one leg is not necessarily the golden rooster standing on one leg- neither does it lay eggs.

[FIRE HAWK]

So they are not the same forms then .

[stuartm]

Hi,

I may be wrong, but ive have always understood 'Saam Pai Fut' to be the three fooks / three wu saus in the first section of SLT - with the three Wu's being the three prayers to Bhudda.

Stuart

[Andreas Hoffman]

The essence of the Weng Chun Saam Pai Fat form is bowing. With bowing you transform your weng chun kuen into a higher level.
In the old Saam Pai Fat form you exercise also the "three fook/wuSau" section with bowing.
In my opinion Grandmaster Moy Yat understood the deep meaning of Saam Pai Fat and according the Ving Tsun Museum he was a Zen wing chun Grandmaster, a real "Sim Si".

Andreas Hoffmann
www.wengchun.net

[reneritchie]

Saam Pai Fut, beyond being a name of a set in the Weng Chun system, is also sometimes ascribed to Siu Lien/Nim Tao for the tan/wu/fook3/wu3 section and even Biu Jee for the ending section (where you bend down 3 times).

Some names pop up here and there in the system.

RR

[yuanfen]

I dont use the term grandmaster. IMO wing chun has none.
If a family/lineage wants to call someone a GM thats their business-no problem. Zen masters generally dont call themselves grandmasters.

The first section of slt is sometimes called sam pai fut but I think that usage is loose. Its the ending of Ip Man's biu jee with its bowing is more the finale and the sam pai fat....the final reverence
in traditional buddhist ritual bowing. The "three" is in an important symbolism in Buddhism, in many things..ending of prayers, the three unities-body/mind/spirit, the three jewels-
the buddha, dharma and sangha. All the three forms are inter-related in functions and development... and at the end ...with sam pai fut...everything is coordinated and balanced- a new synthesis. The circle is complete.

[Hendrik]

Hai Joy,

"Zen masters generally dont call themselves grandmasters. "

Are you talking about Zen Buddism? or those self pro-claim Guru
and mahaguru or guruji? LOL.




Zen Teaching and Praying/reciting doesn't match up.
the term use for Zen is not BAi Fut term.
EhnnnnK.

Nah.... Ha Ha Ha Ha. Can't link those up. Ha Ha Ha


When there is not a thing. what to pray about. Ha Ha Ha


And also, Bai Fut doesn't represent WCK. since not all WCK lineage use that term.

[Andreas Hoffman]

Sorry, I used the term grandmaster and Zenmaster by myself to honor Sifu Moy Yat.

Andreas Hoffmann

[BeiKongHui]

What!?! A thread with the MY words in it and Tom Kegan hasn't made his appearance yet? He must be slowing down.

[yuanfen]

I honor Moy Yat too as a wing chun teacher and a major influence in the spreading of wing chun. My not calling him grandmaster implies no dishonor whatsover.
Zen masters? I am careful in using the term. They are there- but they are rare sages.... the historical Dogen, the contemporary Thich Nhat Hanh... come to mind.

[yuanfen]

Hey Hendrik- I dont use terms loosely if I can help it... nowhere have I used the term guru, mahaguru or guruji in discussions of sifu-s, masters etc.

After all- in some traditions- if on the path to enilghtenment the buddha stands in the way- you must kill him!

[Rolling_Hand]

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Some terms, some lips....

Om mani peme hum!

[Rolling_Hand]

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Sorry, I used the term grandmaster and Zenmaster by myself to honor Sifu Moy Yat.

Andreas Hoffmann
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Sifu Andreas Hoffmann,

It's always my pleasure to see a gentleman like you here.

Please forgive me to say this, you've nothing to apologize for and you're an honest man.

Rdgs

Roger

[yuanfen]

AH is indeed a gentleman. Intent understood.

[Hendrik]

Hey Joy,

"I dont use terms loosely if I can help it... nowhere have I used the term guru, mahaguru or guruji in discussions of sifu-s, masters etc. "

I belive you.



'After all- in some traditions- if on the path to enilghtenment the buddha stands in the way- you must kill him!"

LOL

[Rolling_Hand]

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'After all- in some traditions- if on the path to enilghtenment the buddha stands in the way- you must kill him!"
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(Some Lips) is peeping Tom at the keyhole of buddha...

But the buddha doesn't know this boy!!!