The Eight Kicks of Yip Man's Wing Chun

[black and blue]

In the 'Yip Man and Chi Gerk' thread, it was said some people learn't additional kicks from Yip Man.

Can someone please list all eight kicks (with an explanation if listed in Chinese)?

Many thanks,

Duncan

[black and blue]

Nine people read my thread and all are too chicken to tell me how they kick!

You ought to be ashamed. Earlier I shared my "Wing Chun on a plastic pipe" drill, and this is the thanks I get.

You guys suck eggs!

*Note: "You guys suck eggs" - is part of Duncan's 'Wing Chun for Dummies' book and is protected by the UK department of intellectual property. It can be found in Chapter 55: Pre-fight slanging match tactics*

[yuanfen]

The roots are all in the dummy form that some wise guys think is "made up". Sometimes the diamonds are under your nose.

I must have missed out on your plastic pipe.

[black and blue]

But I don't know the Dummy form, good sir. :(

Can you list the 8 kicks (kicking methods), for a poor Wing Chunner in the UK?

My pipe, in all its heavenly glory, can be seen in the magnificent Alternative Drills thread.

;)

[yuanfen]

The eight as represented In the Augustine Fong system:
jing gurk, wang gurk,soogurk, yaai sut gerk, tiu gerk,jut gerk,
tai sut, chai gurk...
front, side, sweep,stomp, instep,jerk down, knee top, scraping.
Now charge forth Sir Black and Blue- dont blow sunshine up royal arses in Cleveland on the Thames. wallah wallah!

[black and blue]

I'm a Sussex lad, I don't dare venture into the smog to see the lions. :)

Thanks for the info... will help me improve my Cantonese too LOL.
Scraping kick? Is this down the shin or a kick (skimming low over the ground) that runs into the opponents ankle?

Thanks,

Duncan

Ps. I try to avoid blowing anywhere near arses. And Royalty wouldn't 'touch' me. Though I hear there's a storm brewing... or is that just my pot of Earl Grey?

[yuanfen]

Thanks for the info... will help me improve my Cantonese too LOL.
Scraping kick? Is this down the shin or a kick (skimming low over the ground) that runs into the opponents ankle?
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yes . yes. one fundamental...the other a possible application.
Early Grey?. English shopkeepers! England grows no tea. Good stuff is from my area you know-Darjeeling!!

[black and blue]

"England grows no tea. Good stuff is from my area you know-Darjeeling!!" - writes Yuanfen.

Indeed, tea is one of our 'acquired imports'... and a good one too. Though not as good as Saag Panir... Mmmm... so goooooddd.

There's a Chinese takeaway close to where I live - I go in so often they often share tea while my order's on the go. Chinese tea - can't beat it!

Still, if it's served at too low a temperature, I'll try out those eight kicks.
;)

[Alpha Dog]

Chinese tea from a takeaway? make me puke!

Good tea comes from Taiwan and not in perforated little bags. Good tea gets you drunk if you drink too much, not sick.

[black and blue]

I'm lucky, the tea they share isn't sold to customers, they drink it out back.

So while I wait for my food we drink and chat Kung Fu. They crack me up... I'm sure some of them aren't in the country legally... nice one fellas! :)

Duncan

Ps. The tea is in its natural leaf form... not in little bags. :) Pigs intestine soup... now that's known to make some people hurl!

[yuanfen]

B&B sez:Ps. The tea is in its natural leaf form... not in little bags. Pigs intestine soup... now that's known to make some people hurl!
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Still better most likely than the English kidney pie and the Scottish hag...(?) that still churns my stomach when I think about it. I try not to.

[black and blue]

English Steak and Kidney pie. Mmmmm....

Best eaten cold. Rather like ghee, the fat rises to the top (looks kinda orange in colour). Anyway... wake up, go downstairs, open fridge, pull out S & K pie, gobble it all up.

Mmmmm.

So less of the foody insults, Yuanfen. I've eaten at a Wendy's... once :( :( :( (a sour face three times over).

Mat - if you're reading this from Japan, I just know you're salivating. What I really fancy is a spam sandwich. Can't beat it!!

[Alpha Dog]

Originally posted by black and blue
Pigs intestine soup... now that's known to make some people hurl!

add some bitter melon and some salt and you have a feast fit for a king!

Right on with the leaves -- the oils are still retained and they will help carry all the pig fat outa your gutlet.

[Alpha Dog]

Originally posted by black and blue
English Steak and Kidney pie. Mmmmm....

Best eaten cold. Rather like ghee, the fat rises to the top (looks kinda orange in colour). Anyway... wake up, go downstairs, open fridge, pull out S & K pie, gobble it all up.

Melton Moberley (SP?) Pie, with picklelilly.... awesome. Right Yuanfen? :D

[black and blue]

That luminous yellow of good picallilly... who devised such goodness, I ask you? The bits of cauliflower... d@rn!

But Melton pork pies are sublime. Just the right amount of jellied fat around the pork. Some of them actually have a pickle placed 'inside' the pork!!!

God touched someone the day that pie was conceived. You guys ever tried pork scratchings? Heaven in a salt-covered deep fried lump of pork fat.

Must.... leave... office... and... go... to... shops... for... food...

[yuanfen]

B&B:So less of the foody insults, Yuanfen. I've eaten at a Wendy's... once
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------Egads: Thats a cardinal sin. probably why the Pope went from Toronto straight to Guatemala and avoided the US...but unfortunate for the human condition- the golden arches and their ill begotten cousins keep spreading worldwide. Jack in the Box is
back in business after their ecoli encounter. Their new ad program in effect should say- we cook the kaka out of our hamburgers---(we will see whether the censor catches that).
After all kaka happens.

[Alpha Dog]

Originally posted by yuanfen
Jack in the Box is
back in business after their ecoli encounter.

So Yak in the Box is back, eh? Name changed to Kak in the Box or have they fixed the problem?

[fa_jing]

man don't be giving out that info on the net. :rolleyes: I'm not saying everything has to be a secret but you have to draw the line somewhere. My sifu does.

[joy chaudhuri]

Fajing- something that hits the papers is not anywhere near a secret. And commenting on something as fundamentally human as eating is not in bad taste!

[John Weiland]

Originally posted by joy chaudhuri
Fajing- something that hits the papers is not anywhere near a secret. And commenting on something as fundamentally human as eating is not in bad taste!
Hi Joy,

Personally, I only trust home cooked food, especially as I worked at Jacues-in-le-Box about 30 years ago for several months. It's amazing the variety in preparation quality you see in a pre-set menu. :) Remember when they said they served croissants "Just like they do in France!"? Apparently in France, croissants are served by angry, young Mexicans. :)

Frankly, the chains of fast food restaurants are probably safer than the "undiscovered" hole-in-the-wall" proprietorships.

Or one could be a Breatharian and avoid the issue of ill-prepared food all together. Hard to keep weight on though. :)


Cheers,

[Alpha Dog]

If there weren't no Kak in the Box there'd be no problem!

Oh, but this is a place for serious discussion. MHA (My Humble Apologies -- new acronym for the internet age)

Speaking of serious discussions, how many of you have them with your Sifus? should I start a new thread? any thoughts?

[yuanfen]

Speaking of serious discussions, how many of you have them with your Sifus? should I start a new thread? any thoughts?
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Good idea in principle...but be prepared for red5's monologues....we
already have the vacuous first instalment: "A weekend in Cleveland"

[Tristan]

I know there are 8, but I was only shown 7. So still one more to go:

so-guek sweep kick
chai-guek stamping kick
che-chai-guek slant stamping kick
ching-sun-guek frontal thrusting kick
sup-gee-guek crossed kick
chai-sut guek knee stamping kick
wang-chang-guek side thrusting kick



T.

[teazer]

Of course all Wing Chun's kicks could be reduced down to - foot turned inwards & foot turned outwards. Everything else is applications thereof.
The tricky thing about the early answer being that all the kicks were in the dummy form, assumes that all dummy forms are the same & don't have a bunch of different kicks added in!

[Tristan]

You´re right if you say that not all the dummy forms are the same. And not all of them have different kicks added in.

You´re ignorant if you say that all the wing chun kicks could be reduced to foot turned inwards and foot turned outwards. Would be the same saying WC could be reduced to a single kuen!

T

[Sihing73]

Hello,

Actually I don't think it is fair to state someone is ignorant for making a statement. It could be what they have been exposed to up to this point.

With that in mind I am curious as to what other foot placements you would use other than foot turned in and foot turned out? Seems to cover most of the spectrum. Of course there is also foot straight up and down ;) Although I have been known to put my foot on the ground and strike the opponent with my slipper in my hand. It's amazing how many different "foot" positions I can get while swinging my slipper to and fro :D

Peace,

Dave

[Tristan]

Sorry Teazer, Sihing73 is right (as for calling you ig...t)


With that in mind I am curious as to what other foot placements you would use other than foot turned in and foot turned out? Seems to cover most of the spectrum.
As for the reducing: Maybe we could reduce all the kicks down to the use of one single leg.


See, the different kicks have not so much to do with the different foot positions.
But the structure when power is generated. Because of nuances in distance, position of own leg and target.


T.

[teazer]

T - sure we could say all kicks one leg, but would it be helpful?
From your list of 7 techniques, you have 3 factors - foot angle, where they start & where they stop. All else can be deduced from those, given knowledge from SNT.
If the target is higher than the starting point, one form of energy must be used, if lower, then the other. If the foot angle is changing, that implies a certain change in force & trajectory. When you understand how the body works, what do your categories add?

S-73, If it were due to lack of exposure, it would indeed be ignorance as has been said. Alternately, I may be teazing, lying or wrong, but that would not be for lack of choices;)

[teazer]

[i]Would be the same saying WC could be reduced to a single kuen!
T [/B]

Or, at least logically, not. Though the hands could be reduced to two factors if needed.

[Tristan]

Or, at least logically, not. Though the hands could be reduced to two factors if needed So why there are 4 un-armed forms (must be exaggerated according to you!)



If the foot angle is changing, that implies a certain change in force & trajectory. When you understand how the body works, what do your categories add? But first you have to learn to understand how the body works.
This could be done by practising these categories of techniques =applications of the forms= foundation of wing Chun

T.

[teazer]

Originally posted by Tristan
So why there are 4 un-armed forms (must be exaggerated according to you!)

Not at all. The hands follow the same parameters throughout. The situations change, however and teach different things.


But first you have to learn to understand how the body works.
This could be done by practising these categories of techniques =applications of the forms= foundation of wing Chun
T.

No doubt it is easier to categorize when working out a training regemin. In the long term or very short term though, who has time to think through that complexity?