Ratan Ring?

[wc student]

who has used the ratan ring in training? does it help with chi sao?

[Grendel]

Originally posted by wc student
who has used the ratan ring in training? does it help with chi sao? I saw no answers, so I'll give you mine. :) No ratan rings or any other sorts of rings don't help your chi sao. The correct energy and sensitivity in chi sao is hard to train. There are no short-cuts and you need a good teacher so that you can feel what good hands are. It's hard work and takes time.

Regards,

[kj]

You should have had plenty of responses by now. Maybe everyone is on vacation. :)

Ratan ring may not only be unhelpful, you may actually risk "subtracting" from your Wing Chun by instilling poor habits. "Listening" and responding to a ratan ring for chi sau is not like "listening" and responding to a real person.

AFAIK (and I could be wrong) the idea of the ratan ring may have come from other Wing Chun lines such as YKS. But even they, if I recall right, don't use it for chi sau, but rather to train a sort of splitting energy. I haven't got a clue who first had the chi sau brainstorm.

My suggestion for chi sau would be to find a chi sau partner, and leave the ratan ring alone. Same with inner tubes and other devices. Your Wing Chun will be the better for it, IMHO.

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[black and blue]

Piping my friend, piping. 'It speaks'! A ring of plastic piping, Hmmm... the jury is still out.

*Note: 'It speaks'. P1,520 of Duncan's 'Wing Chun for Dummies'. The art of listening to inanimate objects to hear if they utter the Kuen Kuit. Caution: Avoid this practise on Clapham Common. It's not the bush you hear speaking but the person lurking behind it*

[Patrick Gordon]

Howdy folks,

Here are some really nice photos I can across while surfing the internet tonight. Rattan ring training does exist, don't let anyone tell you different. See for yourself!

http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/wingchun/english/gallery/photocrca.htm

Patrick Gordon.

[reneritchie]

We use the Teng Huen (Rattan Ring) in YKS/Sum Nung WCK, but as KJ rightly remembered, *not* for Chi Sao.

Rgds,

RR

[burnsypoo]

usefull for sitting on if you bruise your tailbone?
=P

-BP-

[stuartm]

For interest, here is a picture of Sifu Randy Williams using the Rattan Ring:http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/wingchun/english/gallery/photocrca.htm